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<blockquote data-quote="Aldarron" data-source="post: 5723670" data-attributes="member: 89291"><p>I wrote this "live" as I read the 7 page preview for this book.</p><p> </p><p>I'm reading the review now.</p><p> </p><p>The spelled Dave Wesely's name wrong. That's setting off alarm bells; very loud alarm bells. </p><p> </p><p>My second concern is; who is Shannon Appelcline and what are (her?) credentials?</p><p> </p><p>Wow, I'm seeing more inaccurate facts. Braunstien was set in a number of different settings by Wesely, mostly banana republics, not just the Napoleonic period.</p><p> </p><p>and this</p><p> </p><p>"Various sources describe Arneson visiting Gygax, Gygax visiting Arneson, or the two meeting at GenCon IV (1971)."</p><p> </p><p>is pure non-sense. All the sources involved have told exactly the same story - including, Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and Megarry. Megarry and Arneson went to L. Geneva in late fall of 1972. (November, according to rob). Megarry went to shocase his Dungeon game and Dave went to help him and run a Blackmoor for Gary. "other sources" have no credibility in the matter. Come to think of it, its even mentioned in the court transcripts. </p><p> </p><p>This is really basic reasearch 101 stuff and dead easy to find out. <img src="http://s2.images.proboards.com/sad.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p> </p><p>continuing to read....</p><p> </p><p>"Whatever the case, in that 1971 meeting Gygax and Arneson decided to jointly design a game that incorporated their ideas of fantasy realms and individual player characters. They called it … ‘The Fantasy Game’."</p><p> </p><p>OH MY GOD!</p><p> </p><p>There is exactly nothing true in that statement. Gygax asked Arneson for his rules so they could "jointly design" Dungeons and Dragons in the tail end of 1972. They did not decide to design a fantasy game together in 1971. Further Gygax has emphatically denied that "The Fantasy Game" was ever an actual name they called the game. </p><p> </p><p>I'm done. This book doesn't even meet the most basic standards of journalism, let alone historical inquiry. </p><p> </p><p>(I want to add that up till now I've had nothing against Mongoose. I have two of their Conan books and like them very much. But its pretty dang clear they didn't hire a fact checker, and that too is basic SOP to the publication any historical narrative. They should pull this book ASAP, have it gone over with a fine tooth comb, and provide reference sources to all supposed facts being presented.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aldarron, post: 5723670, member: 89291"] I wrote this "live" as I read the 7 page preview for this book. I'm reading the review now. The spelled Dave Wesely's name wrong. That's setting off alarm bells; very loud alarm bells. My second concern is; who is Shannon Appelcline and what are (her?) credentials? Wow, I'm seeing more inaccurate facts. Braunstien was set in a number of different settings by Wesely, mostly banana republics, not just the Napoleonic period. and this "Various sources describe Arneson visiting Gygax, Gygax visiting Arneson, or the two meeting at GenCon IV (1971)." is pure non-sense. All the sources involved have told exactly the same story - including, Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and Megarry. Megarry and Arneson went to L. Geneva in late fall of 1972. (November, according to rob). Megarry went to shocase his Dungeon game and Dave went to help him and run a Blackmoor for Gary. "other sources" have no credibility in the matter. Come to think of it, its even mentioned in the court transcripts. This is really basic reasearch 101 stuff and dead easy to find out. [IMG]http://s2.images.proboards.com/sad.gif[/IMG] continuing to read.... "Whatever the case, in that 1971 meeting Gygax and Arneson decided to jointly design a game that incorporated their ideas of fantasy realms and individual player characters. They called it … ‘The Fantasy Game’." OH MY GOD! There is exactly nothing true in that statement. Gygax asked Arneson for his rules so they could "jointly design" Dungeons and Dragons in the tail end of 1972. They did not decide to design a fantasy game together in 1971. Further Gygax has emphatically denied that "The Fantasy Game" was ever an actual name they called the game. I'm done. This book doesn't even meet the most basic standards of journalism, let alone historical inquiry. (I want to add that up till now I've had nothing against Mongoose. I have two of their Conan books and like them very much. But its pretty dang clear they didn't hire a fact checker, and that too is basic SOP to the publication any historical narrative. They should pull this book ASAP, have it gone over with a fine tooth comb, and provide reference sources to all supposed facts being presented.) [/QUOTE]
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