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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4939931" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Actually, one sees the hero trying something that he assumes will work all of the time in books and movies. It's a literary staple. Heroes get it wrong too sometimes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not really.</p><p></p><p>How does one know (not guess, but know) the fact that this foe is a paper tiger and this foe is not?</p><p></p><p>Where is the mystery there? Where is the challenge?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Killing the foe with a Daily = failing and Killing the foe with an At Will = success???</p><p></p><p>That's your argument. Being efficient = success = fun. Being non-efficient = failure = not fun.</p><p></p><p>And the entire game system is game mechanics. The Battle Rage Vigor Fighter is not putting up a visible force field that foes can see, he is adding Temporary Hit Points. But NPCs should not know about temporary hit points any more than PCs should know about minions.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Adding a strawman of your own aren't you? You are extrapolating that being less efficient = grind.</p><p></p><p>But then, that would lead one to believe that not spotting the trap leads to more grind, having a choice of 3 paths to go and choosing the wrong one leads to more grind, etc.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Why would you want to play a game where you tell the player information that the PC would not know?</p><p></p><p>The PC doesn't know what a minion is. He just knows that he sometimes gets lucky and wipes a foe out with a single blow. Other times, the foe is lucky or skillful or whatever and the battle is more drawn out.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I have no problem handing out information that the PC should know to players. I just have a problem handing out information that the PC should NOT know to players. Metagaming knowledge is not information that the PC should know.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 4939931, member: 2011"] Actually, one sees the hero trying something that he assumes will work all of the time in books and movies. It's a literary staple. Heroes get it wrong too sometimes. Not really. How does one know (not guess, but know) the fact that this foe is a paper tiger and this foe is not? Where is the mystery there? Where is the challenge? Killing the foe with a Daily = failing and Killing the foe with an At Will = success??? That's your argument. Being efficient = success = fun. Being non-efficient = failure = not fun. And the entire game system is game mechanics. The Battle Rage Vigor Fighter is not putting up a visible force field that foes can see, he is adding Temporary Hit Points. But NPCs should not know about temporary hit points any more than PCs should know about minions. Adding a strawman of your own aren't you? You are extrapolating that being less efficient = grind. But then, that would lead one to believe that not spotting the trap leads to more grind, having a choice of 3 paths to go and choosing the wrong one leads to more grind, etc. Why would you want to play a game where you tell the player information that the PC would not know? The PC doesn't know what a minion is. He just knows that he sometimes gets lucky and wipes a foe out with a single blow. Other times, the foe is lucky or skillful or whatever and the battle is more drawn out. I have no problem handing out information that the PC should know to players. I just have a problem handing out information that the PC should NOT know to players. Metagaming knowledge is not information that the PC should know. [/QUOTE]
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