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<blockquote data-quote="GameOgre" data-source="post: 7298684" data-attributes="member: 57914"><p>Well,no pc was ever actually killed at the front gate. I just thought that was a good tittle and cut to the heart of the matter. The fact that some of my players want to play monster characters but do not want to have any negatives socially at all and certainly do not ever want to be judged by their race to the point of being attacked.</p><p></p><p>Even when displaying that exact same behavior towards any unusual race they come across. For instance the bugbear kills bugbears on sight. </p><p></p><p>There have been several rather messy deaths but even after explaining in detail beforehand about how they will be perceived by most (good races) they encounter(and the danger of being perceived that way)....I went out of my way to give them some places that did not do so and made sure that when they went to some of the other more dangerous places they knew the increased dangers of those places well ahead of time.</p><p></p><p>Frankly,it's not fun to have your character killed,so while I do kill characters, in general I try NOT to do so. While I try to appear unbiased in my games,I am actually not. I am on the pc's side! They are the stars of my game after all.</p><p></p><p>However, the times when they carelessly(as opposed to carefully navigating them and keeping out of sight or avoiding the appearance of evil behavior) entered into those more dangerous areas and then threw caution to the wind and either directly confronted bigoted elements in a threatening manner or in some cases outright participated in VERY questionable behavior and acts in very public displays I held nothing back and let them reap the consequences of their choices in rather bloody ways.</p><p></p><p>For instance: </p><p></p><p>The Bugbear rogue killed a neutral cleric of the city in the middle of the high Market (he had good cause to confront the cleric,not good cause to murder him and certainly doing so openly as a bugbear in the middle of Waterdeep and then killing several citizens that tried to stop him was VERY unwise. Even as a human those acts could prove fatal! As a bugbear? Certain doom.</p><p></p><p>A Goblin who snuck into a town under constant attack by orc and goblin raiders and that had suffered greatly at their hands(Orc and Goblin ears could be turned in at the front gate for gold reward,Huge Sign) and preceded to attack a Dark Necromancer who was only known as a powerful Noble of that town in a jewelry store.</p><p></p><p>A Orc who actually did some good deeds and was initially welcomes into the village because of those actions who when confronted with a bigoted merchant (who's wife had recently been slain by orcs) slew him out of hand over being refused to be served.</p><p></p><p>On top of those deaths there have been constant demands by the players of monster characters that they be treated the same as elves and dwarves ect...even in areas where Elves and Dwarves wouldn't be treated well. Even ALMOST to the point of almost outright attacking those doing so but not doing so because of fear of reprisals. </p><p></p><p>I run a game that sometimes does have lots of dungeon adventures but also has lots of city adventures and some of my players can actually handle monster races fine. They realize the dangers and act accordingly. </p><p></p><p>For instance the Lizardfolk Moon Druid is known far and wide as a hero and can often enter places that all Lizardfolk but him would be attacked. He also is smart enough to often use animal form with normal adventuring races (like a Hawk,small cat or dog ect) when it would NOT be in his best interests to reveal his actual race.</p><p></p><p>This is why I didn't want to ban all such race choices.</p><p></p><p>Also as I pointed out to them many many times it is often far more possible to enter into such locations as the sole monster race in a party of normal race characters(leave him alone we tamed this goblin and he works for us) verse nothing but monster adventurers.</p><p></p><p>It's starting to detract from my enjoyment of the game though as I often have to do mental gymnastics to figure out a way for them to be accepted. Hence the threads start.</p><p></p><p>I even offered to run a planescape game( a setting i fell there is much less outright threat to pc's over race) but the party wasn't interested.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GameOgre, post: 7298684, member: 57914"] Well,no pc was ever actually killed at the front gate. I just thought that was a good tittle and cut to the heart of the matter. The fact that some of my players want to play monster characters but do not want to have any negatives socially at all and certainly do not ever want to be judged by their race to the point of being attacked. Even when displaying that exact same behavior towards any unusual race they come across. For instance the bugbear kills bugbears on sight. There have been several rather messy deaths but even after explaining in detail beforehand about how they will be perceived by most (good races) they encounter(and the danger of being perceived that way)....I went out of my way to give them some places that did not do so and made sure that when they went to some of the other more dangerous places they knew the increased dangers of those places well ahead of time. Frankly,it's not fun to have your character killed,so while I do kill characters, in general I try NOT to do so. While I try to appear unbiased in my games,I am actually not. I am on the pc's side! They are the stars of my game after all. However, the times when they carelessly(as opposed to carefully navigating them and keeping out of sight or avoiding the appearance of evil behavior) entered into those more dangerous areas and then threw caution to the wind and either directly confronted bigoted elements in a threatening manner or in some cases outright participated in VERY questionable behavior and acts in very public displays I held nothing back and let them reap the consequences of their choices in rather bloody ways. For instance: The Bugbear rogue killed a neutral cleric of the city in the middle of the high Market (he had good cause to confront the cleric,not good cause to murder him and certainly doing so openly as a bugbear in the middle of Waterdeep and then killing several citizens that tried to stop him was VERY unwise. Even as a human those acts could prove fatal! As a bugbear? Certain doom. A Goblin who snuck into a town under constant attack by orc and goblin raiders and that had suffered greatly at their hands(Orc and Goblin ears could be turned in at the front gate for gold reward,Huge Sign) and preceded to attack a Dark Necromancer who was only known as a powerful Noble of that town in a jewelry store. A Orc who actually did some good deeds and was initially welcomes into the village because of those actions who when confronted with a bigoted merchant (who's wife had recently been slain by orcs) slew him out of hand over being refused to be served. On top of those deaths there have been constant demands by the players of monster characters that they be treated the same as elves and dwarves ect...even in areas where Elves and Dwarves wouldn't be treated well. Even ALMOST to the point of almost outright attacking those doing so but not doing so because of fear of reprisals. I run a game that sometimes does have lots of dungeon adventures but also has lots of city adventures and some of my players can actually handle monster races fine. They realize the dangers and act accordingly. For instance the Lizardfolk Moon Druid is known far and wide as a hero and can often enter places that all Lizardfolk but him would be attacked. He also is smart enough to often use animal form with normal adventuring races (like a Hawk,small cat or dog ect) when it would NOT be in his best interests to reveal his actual race. This is why I didn't want to ban all such race choices. Also as I pointed out to them many many times it is often far more possible to enter into such locations as the sole monster race in a party of normal race characters(leave him alone we tamed this goblin and he works for us) verse nothing but monster adventurers. It's starting to detract from my enjoyment of the game though as I often have to do mental gymnastics to figure out a way for them to be accepted. Hence the threads start. I even offered to run a planescape game( a setting i fell there is much less outright threat to pc's over race) but the party wasn't interested. [/QUOTE]
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