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<blockquote data-quote="Iku Rex" data-source="post: 1934405" data-attributes="member: 752"><p>An animated shield protects you "as if [you] were using it [yourself]". [RULE QUOTE] If a bear is using a shield, it gets the shield's shield bonus. Nowhere does it say that you have to be [normally] able to use a shield for the animated shield to protect you <em>as if</em> you were using it yourself.</p><p></p><p>Now, what part of this is it you disagree with? (You "forgot" to address it the first time I posted it.)</p><p></p><p>Do you disagree that a bear using a shield will get the shield's bonus? (Notice that I <em>didn't </em> ask you if a bear could use a shield.)</p><p></p><p>Do you now have a rule quote stating that you have to be able to use a shield for the animated shield to protect you AS IF you were using it yourself? </p><p></p><p>Yes, you can in fact benefit from the shield AS IF you were using it yourself even if you can't use it yourself. That's why a fighter wielding a greatsword can benefit from an animated large steel shield even though a fighter wielding a greatsword can't [normally] use a large steel shield. This <em>should </em> be self evident to anyone.</p><p></p><p>Can a fighter wielding a greatsword normally use a large steel shield?</p><p>Can a bear normally use a large steel shield?</p><p></p><p>Can a fighter wielding a greatsword benefit from an animated large steel shield?</p><p>Can a bear benefit from an animated large steel shield?</p><p></p><p> No, you have not. You have quoted the RAW and then invented a new rule (if you cannot use a shield, you cannot gain any benefit from an animated shield), claiming that your invented rule is part of the RAW. Repeating your invented rule over and over does not constitute "stating the RAW to support your argument". </p><p></p><p> Rewording the question is not helpful. :\ </p><p></p><p>I actually considered making a special note about bucklers, just in case you were unable to understand the point of the question, but instead I worded it to exclude bucklers.</p><p></p><p>1. If you're wielding two weapons or a two-handed weapon you can NOT "normally use a shield". I suppose you could claim that simply having the buckler strapped to your arm means that you're "using it" (even though you don't get the benefit), but in that case bears too can "use" bucklers. </p><p></p><p>2. Unless you're now trying to tell me that only animated bucklers free up both your hands, bucklers are irrelevant here. Or maybe you're saying that it's enough to be able to "use" ("attach to your arm") <em>some sort of</em> shield to benefit from<em> any</em> animated shield?!</p><p></p><p> I draw your attention to the word "normally" and the words "or a two-handed weapon"...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Iku Rex, post: 1934405, member: 752"] An animated shield protects you "as if [you] were using it [yourself]". [RULE QUOTE] If a bear is using a shield, it gets the shield's shield bonus. Nowhere does it say that you have to be [normally] able to use a shield for the animated shield to protect you [i]as if[/i] you were using it yourself. Now, what part of this is it you disagree with? (You "forgot" to address it the first time I posted it.) Do you disagree that a bear using a shield will get the shield's bonus? (Notice that I [I]didn't [/I] ask you if a bear could use a shield.) Do you now have a rule quote stating that you have to be able to use a shield for the animated shield to protect you AS IF you were using it yourself? Yes, you can in fact benefit from the shield AS IF you were using it yourself even if you can't use it yourself. That's why a fighter wielding a greatsword can benefit from an animated large steel shield even though a fighter wielding a greatsword can't [normally] use a large steel shield. This [I]should [/I] be self evident to anyone. Can a fighter wielding a greatsword normally use a large steel shield? Can a bear normally use a large steel shield? Can a fighter wielding a greatsword benefit from an animated large steel shield? Can a bear benefit from an animated large steel shield? No, you have not. You have quoted the RAW and then invented a new rule (if you cannot use a shield, you cannot gain any benefit from an animated shield), claiming that your invented rule is part of the RAW. Repeating your invented rule over and over does not constitute "stating the RAW to support your argument". Rewording the question is not helpful. :\ I actually considered making a special note about bucklers, just in case you were unable to understand the point of the question, but instead I worded it to exclude bucklers. 1. If you're wielding two weapons or a two-handed weapon you can NOT "normally use a shield". I suppose you could claim that simply having the buckler strapped to your arm means that you're "using it" (even though you don't get the benefit), but in that case bears too can "use" bucklers. 2. Unless you're now trying to tell me that only animated bucklers free up both your hands, bucklers are irrelevant here. Or maybe you're saying that it's enough to be able to "use" ("attach to your arm") [I]some sort of[/I] shield to benefit from[I] any[/i] animated shield?! I draw your attention to the word "normally" and the words "or a two-handed weapon"... [/QUOTE]
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