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<blockquote data-quote="Kobold Boots" data-source="post: 5895170" data-attributes="member: 92239"><p>Another day, another 7 pages <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>1. EnWorld doesn't even come close to representing the entire number of people who play D&D or who have played D&D. Same can be said for the Internet gaming community (no offense meant to Morrus and crew, I think they'd agree.)</p><p></p><p>2. What the Internet gaming forum posting community is, is vocal and obvious. I'm sure that there are other terms to use, but we'll leave those alone.</p><p></p><p>3. The game industry does not have total statistics to prove total sales data. Is Pathfinder popular? Yes it is. Is 4e popular? Yes it is. Did WoTC completely screw the proverbial pooch by moving their content online to a subscription model that was easily API'd and downloaded.. yes they did. IP companies shouldn't do that unless there's a strong anti-copy system in place and it's obvious they didn't do their homework. The problem wasn't the D20 license, it was the business model chosen. Leave that D20 license intact.</p><p></p><p>4. Paizo is the better run company - mostly because it's a rpg company that does rpgs.. Hasbro is a game company that does rpgs.. there's a big focus difference and it shows. The best analogies can be found with book companies that are run by larger conglomerates, they tend to suck compared to book companies, run by companies that understand books. (Time Warner was a great example).</p><p></p><p>5. The D&D property would be better run by Paizo. Hasbro needs to drop the D&D expectation to 25 million to get a 10 year window for an edition. The 50 million mark will result in 3-4 year print runs regardless of player interest because core book sales run rate at 4 years before hitting maintenance. Beyond that it's supplement sales and we all realize that's Paizo's strength, not Hasbro's.</p><p></p><p>6. D&D success = Paizo involvement. Period. </p><p></p><p>7. Last, Any catering or pandering to the Internet community by gaming companies is done because they don't have any real data to base their decisions on other than what they read and feel on the forums and through reviews. (see lack of sales data). I also can't remember ever seeing a WoTC sales rep on the floor of a major bookseller.. ever. </p><p></p><p>Personal feeling about editions is I love all of them and there's space for Pathfinder, 4e and the next edition of D&D as well as all the retros. I'm annoyed by the "edition wars" but I'll be honest and say I don't think the forum communities can continue to exist without them.. It's all anyone really gets on about anymore.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kobold Boots, post: 5895170, member: 92239"] Another day, another 7 pages :) 1. EnWorld doesn't even come close to representing the entire number of people who play D&D or who have played D&D. Same can be said for the Internet gaming community (no offense meant to Morrus and crew, I think they'd agree.) 2. What the Internet gaming forum posting community is, is vocal and obvious. I'm sure that there are other terms to use, but we'll leave those alone. 3. The game industry does not have total statistics to prove total sales data. Is Pathfinder popular? Yes it is. Is 4e popular? Yes it is. Did WoTC completely screw the proverbial pooch by moving their content online to a subscription model that was easily API'd and downloaded.. yes they did. IP companies shouldn't do that unless there's a strong anti-copy system in place and it's obvious they didn't do their homework. The problem wasn't the D20 license, it was the business model chosen. Leave that D20 license intact. 4. Paizo is the better run company - mostly because it's a rpg company that does rpgs.. Hasbro is a game company that does rpgs.. there's a big focus difference and it shows. The best analogies can be found with book companies that are run by larger conglomerates, they tend to suck compared to book companies, run by companies that understand books. (Time Warner was a great example). 5. The D&D property would be better run by Paizo. Hasbro needs to drop the D&D expectation to 25 million to get a 10 year window for an edition. The 50 million mark will result in 3-4 year print runs regardless of player interest because core book sales run rate at 4 years before hitting maintenance. Beyond that it's supplement sales and we all realize that's Paizo's strength, not Hasbro's. 6. D&D success = Paizo involvement. Period. 7. Last, Any catering or pandering to the Internet community by gaming companies is done because they don't have any real data to base their decisions on other than what they read and feel on the forums and through reviews. (see lack of sales data). I also can't remember ever seeing a WoTC sales rep on the floor of a major bookseller.. ever. Personal feeling about editions is I love all of them and there's space for Pathfinder, 4e and the next edition of D&D as well as all the retros. I'm annoyed by the "edition wars" but I'll be honest and say I don't think the forum communities can continue to exist without them.. It's all anyone really gets on about anymore. [/QUOTE]
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