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<blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 6012797" data-attributes="member: 95493"><p>Wow, I don't think I've objected so much so a single article so far. And even though I object I really don't care about the minotaurs I just care about the assumptions. So that is kind of weird.</p><p></p><p>Just to nitpick a bit, the article starts with him saying that the previous article talked about 'two humanoids' and while I don't really care it did feel wrong to me as he talked about three creatures, and none of which are humanoids - all giant-kin of some form.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, onto the real nuts and bolts of what struck me so odd.</p><p></p><p>Why do they need to be cultists AT ALL in order to be minotaurs? Why is the demon-lord a requisite of the monster at all? It isn't like Lolth and Drow, I can easily use examples of Minotaurs without bringing up Baphomet in any sense.</p><p></p><p>If I follow the example they are trying to use correctly this means there many cultists throughout the world that AREN'T minotaurs which worship Baphomet for some reason and then become minotaurs?? Are they originally human? Elf? Anything race at all? So we'll be fighting a group of gnomes or kenders and then because the group worships Baphomet we'll also fight a minotaur who used to be Ted the gnome or Larry the kender?</p><p></p><p>So, assuming the previous part was right and Ted the gnome became a minotaur, why is it that his intelligence (but not his cunning?) suddenly took such a nose dive? Ogres are dumb because they are born that way, but when you are granted power by a demon prince then you suddenly become dumber. I can't think of anything more literal to say about how stupid you have to be to make that deal - worse yet pleading to get it.</p><p></p><p>I don't see that at all. If anything the random religious stuff about Baphomet is TOO present when the monster could harken back to its roots from Greek myth.</p><p></p><p>I definitely agree with the drider/lolth comments made earlier. That is ALL I see here. I just don't understand why the connection is so emphatic now when it didn't even exist before. I've run DnD for years and used minotaurs more than once, both as a psudo-race and as an individual formed monster and I can't see at all why Baphomet (or being in a cult to him) has to come up at all. It seems to under bites the essence of how I use the creature.</p><p></p><p>I use minotaurs as things lurking in the secret passages in labyrinths and as individual attackers, why would I need a cult background to do this?</p><p></p><p>Lastly, unrelated to the article itself but still relevant, I am very disappointed with the poll this time, first time in a long time where the answers don't give me anything even close to what the question asked. That is what happens when you give a 2 part answer to a one part question. I voted No Good for the description because I think it isn't. But I don't actually care about the 'natural race' part at all, that is something that fits my game and will change in yours.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: While I can see minotaurs as medium (barely), I definitely consider Ogres large. Horses and Centaurs can be medium too for my money but every (good) interpretation of ogre I've ever seen in a movie is quite a bit bigger (not just taller) than you or me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tovec, post: 6012797, member: 95493"] Wow, I don't think I've objected so much so a single article so far. And even though I object I really don't care about the minotaurs I just care about the assumptions. So that is kind of weird. Just to nitpick a bit, the article starts with him saying that the previous article talked about 'two humanoids' and while I don't really care it did feel wrong to me as he talked about three creatures, and none of which are humanoids - all giant-kin of some form. Anyway, onto the real nuts and bolts of what struck me so odd. Why do they need to be cultists AT ALL in order to be minotaurs? Why is the demon-lord a requisite of the monster at all? It isn't like Lolth and Drow, I can easily use examples of Minotaurs without bringing up Baphomet in any sense. If I follow the example they are trying to use correctly this means there many cultists throughout the world that AREN'T minotaurs which worship Baphomet for some reason and then become minotaurs?? Are they originally human? Elf? Anything race at all? So we'll be fighting a group of gnomes or kenders and then because the group worships Baphomet we'll also fight a minotaur who used to be Ted the gnome or Larry the kender? So, assuming the previous part was right and Ted the gnome became a minotaur, why is it that his intelligence (but not his cunning?) suddenly took such a nose dive? Ogres are dumb because they are born that way, but when you are granted power by a demon prince then you suddenly become dumber. I can't think of anything more literal to say about how stupid you have to be to make that deal - worse yet pleading to get it. I don't see that at all. If anything the random religious stuff about Baphomet is TOO present when the monster could harken back to its roots from Greek myth. I definitely agree with the drider/lolth comments made earlier. That is ALL I see here. I just don't understand why the connection is so emphatic now when it didn't even exist before. I've run DnD for years and used minotaurs more than once, both as a psudo-race and as an individual formed monster and I can't see at all why Baphomet (or being in a cult to him) has to come up at all. It seems to under bites the essence of how I use the creature. I use minotaurs as things lurking in the secret passages in labyrinths and as individual attackers, why would I need a cult background to do this? Lastly, unrelated to the article itself but still relevant, I am very disappointed with the poll this time, first time in a long time where the answers don't give me anything even close to what the question asked. That is what happens when you give a 2 part answer to a one part question. I voted No Good for the description because I think it isn't. But I don't actually care about the 'natural race' part at all, that is something that fits my game and will change in yours. EDIT: While I can see minotaurs as medium (barely), I definitely consider Ogres large. Horses and Centaurs can be medium too for my money but every (good) interpretation of ogre I've ever seen in a movie is quite a bit bigger (not just taller) than you or me. [/QUOTE]
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