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MotW: Tempest question: 2H vs 2W, again!
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<blockquote data-quote="DrSpunj" data-source="post: 58955" data-attributes="member: 994"><p>I am certainly not a math wizard, and have always taken other peoples' posts about 2-Handed fighting being better than 2-Weapon fighting as gospel when they've stated they "ran the numbers". I just recently downloaded Spikey's melee combat calculator and tinkered with it some (very nice, Spikey!) but I don't think I was using it correctly to try and simulate the following:</p><p></p><p>After reading the Tempest prestige class in MotW I again started thinking about a viable 2-Weapon fighter. It is my understanding that the extra off-hand attack (or attacks with Improved 2WF) do not make up for the damage loss compared to 2-Handed fighting because of the -2 penalty to all attacks. </p><p></p><p>If that is true then this prestige class has the answer: At 8th level the character gets "Absolute Ambidexterity" which causes</p><p></p><p></p><p>With a prerequisite BAB of +9, the earliest you can get Absolute Ambidexterity is character level 17.</p><p></p><p>My question is this: does this negation of the -2 to all attacks allow 2WF to equal or exceed the average damage of a 2HF of the same level and ability? </p><p></p><p>At 1st level this prestige class gives the character Improved 2WF, at 5th Greater 2WF and at 10th Supreme 2WF (for a fourth off-hand attack at -15 BAB). That means at 19th level a Fighter/Tempest will get 8 attacks at BABs of +19/+14/+9/+4 with the primary hand and an equal number at the same BAB for the off-hand.</p><p></p><p>My expectation is this would finally overtake a 2HF of equal level and ability, assuming the 2WF made it through the first 18 levels! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>BTW, because of this long drag to 17th level I'm thinking of altering the prestige class slightly by giving them "Improved Ambidexterity" at the 3rd level of the prestige class that lessens the penalty by 1. This, of course, would be superseded by and not stack with Absolute Ambidexterity at prestige class level 8.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, any math heads want to confirm or deny this? And any chance you could update your melee calculator Spikey? Please? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Thanks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DrSpunj, post: 58955, member: 994"] I am certainly not a math wizard, and have always taken other peoples' posts about 2-Handed fighting being better than 2-Weapon fighting as gospel when they've stated they "ran the numbers". I just recently downloaded Spikey's melee combat calculator and tinkered with it some (very nice, Spikey!) but I don't think I was using it correctly to try and simulate the following: After reading the Tempest prestige class in MotW I again started thinking about a viable 2-Weapon fighter. It is my understanding that the extra off-hand attack (or attacks with Improved 2WF) do not make up for the damage loss compared to 2-Handed fighting because of the -2 penalty to all attacks. If that is true then this prestige class has the answer: At 8th level the character gets "Absolute Ambidexterity" which causes With a prerequisite BAB of +9, the earliest you can get Absolute Ambidexterity is character level 17. My question is this: does this negation of the -2 to all attacks allow 2WF to equal or exceed the average damage of a 2HF of the same level and ability? At 1st level this prestige class gives the character Improved 2WF, at 5th Greater 2WF and at 10th Supreme 2WF (for a fourth off-hand attack at -15 BAB). That means at 19th level a Fighter/Tempest will get 8 attacks at BABs of +19/+14/+9/+4 with the primary hand and an equal number at the same BAB for the off-hand. My expectation is this would finally overtake a 2HF of equal level and ability, assuming the 2WF made it through the first 18 levels! :D BTW, because of this long drag to 17th level I'm thinking of altering the prestige class slightly by giving them "Improved Ambidexterity" at the 3rd level of the prestige class that lessens the penalty by 1. This, of course, would be superseded by and not stack with Absolute Ambidexterity at prestige class level 8. Anyway, any math heads want to confirm or deny this? And any chance you could update your melee calculator Spikey? Please? ;) Thanks. [/QUOTE]
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