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<blockquote data-quote="Xeovke" data-source="post: 60719" data-attributes="member: 1203"><p>The thing is, the people you encounter will not necessiraly have an uniformly AC varying from your attacks bonus to your attack bonus +20. And my point was that these approximation are too crude: as I showed, if you read my post at long, your cases are actually a 2HF is better conclusion not a TWF is better. Supported by "numerical evidence" if you care enough to look at any dmg calculator.</p><p></p><p>The thing is fighter are quite a lot advantaged to have high Str as it adds to dmg, attack bonus, and most of their skills (for what that's worth, so you should assume they have a reasonnably high Str scores. I forgot to mention that in my AC 7 to 28 I supposed they had a Str of 16, which really is not a great thing for a 4th level fighter.</p><p>The problem is precisely that the TWF is not as good as 2HF even with one of those extra damage dice on each weapons, and if you assume such weapons then the TWF has to pay more since he has 2 weapons to enchant, and then you don't really know what the other guys do with the supplementary money: a better enchantment bonus, a gauntlet of ogre power. a belt of giant Strenght, an animated shield +1, boots of speed, etc... then also what happens when the monster has elemental resistance, or DR 10/+2... Oh! and not to mention you paid 2 feats! and that there is another to come: Imp2WpnF</p><p>Heck, even in the following case:</p><p>Mr1, greatsword, spec and focus, BAB+15, Str +6, +2 enchantment, +2d6 "other" dmg</p><p>Mr2, double-bl sword, specd and focus, BAB+15, Str +5, +2 enchantment, +2d6 "other dmg" on each end</p><p>Mr1 is better in AC 27 to 40. Which are a relatively common AC at 15th level. Note I was generous in not going to the 16 th level where the 2HF would be better (the attacks he gains is only better than the attacks the TWF gains).</p><p>And Mr2 has paid 4 feats to get there, what a great investment!</p><p>Anyhoo...I should be working now...</p><p></p><p>Xeovke</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Xeovke, post: 60719, member: 1203"] The thing is, the people you encounter will not necessiraly have an uniformly AC varying from your attacks bonus to your attack bonus +20. And my point was that these approximation are too crude: as I showed, if you read my post at long, your cases are actually a 2HF is better conclusion not a TWF is better. Supported by "numerical evidence" if you care enough to look at any dmg calculator. [B][/B] The thing is fighter are quite a lot advantaged to have high Str as it adds to dmg, attack bonus, and most of their skills (for what that's worth, so you should assume they have a reasonnably high Str scores. I forgot to mention that in my AC 7 to 28 I supposed they had a Str of 16, which really is not a great thing for a 4th level fighter. The problem is precisely that the TWF is not as good as 2HF even with one of those extra damage dice on each weapons, and if you assume such weapons then the TWF has to pay more since he has 2 weapons to enchant, and then you don't really know what the other guys do with the supplementary money: a better enchantment bonus, a gauntlet of ogre power. a belt of giant Strenght, an animated shield +1, boots of speed, etc... then also what happens when the monster has elemental resistance, or DR 10/+2... Oh! and not to mention you paid 2 feats! and that there is another to come: Imp2WpnF Heck, even in the following case: Mr1, greatsword, spec and focus, BAB+15, Str +6, +2 enchantment, +2d6 "other" dmg Mr2, double-bl sword, specd and focus, BAB+15, Str +5, +2 enchantment, +2d6 "other dmg" on each end Mr1 is better in AC 27 to 40. Which are a relatively common AC at 15th level. Note I was generous in not going to the 16 th level where the 2HF would be better (the attacks he gains is only better than the attacks the TWF gains). And Mr2 has paid 4 feats to get there, what a great investment! Anyhoo...I should be working now... Xeovke [/QUOTE]
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