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<blockquote data-quote="RulesJD" data-source="post: 6863545" data-attributes="member: 6808367"><p>Please don't listen to Kithas's advice. </p><p></p><p>1. Reation attacks are extremely rare without PAM or Sentinel. So is forcing an enemy to move without eating an Opp Atk yourself, at least as a Vengeance Paladin. </p><p></p><p>2. His math is horribly wrong. Here is the real math:</p><p></p><p><u>Booming Blade</u></p><p><u>Levels 1-4</u>: 2d6 (Average 8.33 with GWF) + 3 = <strong>11.33</strong> damage. If the target moves, add 1d8 (4.5) = 15.83 damage.</p><p></p><p><u>Levels 5-10</u>: 2d6 (Average 8.33 with GWF) + 3 + 1d8 (4.5) = <strong>15.33</strong> damage. If the target moves, add 2d8 (9) = 24.33 damage</p><p></p><p><u>Regular</u></p><p><u>Levels 1-4</u>: 2d6 (Average 8.33 with GWF) + 3 = <strong>11.33</strong> damage. </p><p></p><p><u>Levels 5-10</u>: 4d6 (Average 16.66 with GWF) + 6 = <strong>22.66</strong> damage. </p><p></p><p></p><p><u>GWM</u></p><p><u>Levels 1-4</u>: 2d6 (Average 8.33 with GWF) + 13 = <strong>21.33</strong> damage. </p><p></p><p><u>Levels 5-10</u>: 4d6 (Average 16.66 with GWF) + 26 = <strong>42.66</strong> damage. </p><p></p><p>Simply put, there isn't even remotely a comparison. As a V-Pal, you get short rest rechargeable advantage. USE IT. So many V-Pals forget to use it. Oath of Enmity + GWM = dead BBEG. Additionally, BLESS!!!! Sweet baby jebus Bless yourself. Right from the get go Bless helps turn the tide in favor of GWM for enemies with AC 15 or less right from level 1. At level 4 when you boost STR (if you want damage) and then at level 5 with proficiency boost you're good at AC 16-17. If you Oath of Enmity an enemy, definitely use GWM. </p><p></p><p>Don't get me wrong, don't GWM on every strike, and definitely pick up BB/GFB (Greenflame Blade is significantly better because it doesn't rely on enemy movement and adds your Cha bonus). Kithas is absolutely correct that the SCAG cantrips help a ton. But without a way of generating Opp Atks, Warcaster would be a waste compared to GWM.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RulesJD, post: 6863545, member: 6808367"] Please don't listen to Kithas's advice. 1. Reation attacks are extremely rare without PAM or Sentinel. So is forcing an enemy to move without eating an Opp Atk yourself, at least as a Vengeance Paladin. 2. His math is horribly wrong. Here is the real math: [U]Booming Blade[/U] [U]Levels 1-4[/U]: 2d6 (Average 8.33 with GWF) + 3 = [B]11.33[/B] damage. If the target moves, add 1d8 (4.5) = 15.83 damage. [U]Levels 5-10[/U]: 2d6 (Average 8.33 with GWF) + 3 + 1d8 (4.5) = [B]15.33[/B] damage. If the target moves, add 2d8 (9) = 24.33 damage [U]Regular[/U] [U]Levels 1-4[/U]: 2d6 (Average 8.33 with GWF) + 3 = [B]11.33[/B] damage. [U]Levels 5-10[/U]: 4d6 (Average 16.66 with GWF) + 6 = [B]22.66[/B] damage. [U]GWM[/U] [U]Levels 1-4[/U]: 2d6 (Average 8.33 with GWF) + 13 = [B]21.33[/B] damage. [U]Levels 5-10[/U]: 4d6 (Average 16.66 with GWF) + 26 = [B]42.66[/B] damage. Simply put, there isn't even remotely a comparison. As a V-Pal, you get short rest rechargeable advantage. USE IT. So many V-Pals forget to use it. Oath of Enmity + GWM = dead BBEG. Additionally, BLESS!!!! Sweet baby jebus Bless yourself. Right from the get go Bless helps turn the tide in favor of GWM for enemies with AC 15 or less right from level 1. At level 4 when you boost STR (if you want damage) and then at level 5 with proficiency boost you're good at AC 16-17. If you Oath of Enmity an enemy, definitely use GWM. Don't get me wrong, don't GWM on every strike, and definitely pick up BB/GFB (Greenflame Blade is significantly better because it doesn't rely on enemy movement and adds your Cha bonus). Kithas is absolutely correct that the SCAG cantrips help a ton. But without a way of generating Opp Atks, Warcaster would be a waste compared to GWM. [/QUOTE]
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