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<blockquote data-quote="satori01" data-source="post: 1565485" data-attributes="member: 7859"><p>What really disturbed me about this thread is the still continuing "lawful stupid" mentality when it comes to Paladins.</p><p></p><p>The Paladin is a martial class, why wouldnt a Paladin take a stategic advantage.</p><p>This "cant attack from behind" dogma is a bit silly. Why not? Does this mean a Paladin can not flank, or take a suprise round, or have numerical superiority?</p><p>Come on the two salient class abillities of a Paladin is the Warhorse and Smite Evil. It isnt exactly sporting to ride someone down on your Warhorse and Smite Evil simultaneously doing,(assuming mounted feats), extreme boatloads of damage, but that is what the class is meant to do.</p><p> </p><p>If you want subdual damage and stunning fists for justice, play a monk. Paladins are about destroying evil, not apprehending it.</p><p> </p><p>Furthermore, the DM's contention that it was a wrong act due to the molester being a first level commoner, is metagame thinking. Class and level and not triggering points for spells like forbbidance, thus in effect are not game world descriptors. In real life you dont think of your boss as a "5th level expert" or Michael Jordan as a "10th level monk". Your boss is the guy who knows all about X, MJ is a great athelete, so it should work from a players perspective.</p><p> </p><p>The Molester was not a first level commoner, the molester was just, that a scruffy molester.</p><p> </p><p>Beyond that, real life 'Paladins", the Knights Templar, often performed 'Conversions by the sword', in essense forcible conversions, sometimes followed by execution so the soul of the recently converted would not lapse into error again, and be assured heaven. While most of us would not consider that good, we also do not have strong religous convictions about the subject, and extreme acts being justified by religous belief still occur today,(slaying of gynecological doctors that perform abortions, honor killings etc).</p><p> </p><p>Of course, if none of these convince your DM that your actions were consistent with being a Paladin, bring out this justification: </p><p> </p><p>The Player's Handbook explicitly states that a Paladin can not associate with known evil things. Clearly if you apprehended the molester you would be associating with him, and might be forced to defend this evil creature from good folks wanting to exact justice. To satisfy the EXPLICT code of conduct written into the PHB,(unlike this no attack from behind nonsense), you had to kill him.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="satori01, post: 1565485, member: 7859"] What really disturbed me about this thread is the still continuing "lawful stupid" mentality when it comes to Paladins. The Paladin is a martial class, why wouldnt a Paladin take a stategic advantage. This "cant attack from behind" dogma is a bit silly. Why not? Does this mean a Paladin can not flank, or take a suprise round, or have numerical superiority? Come on the two salient class abillities of a Paladin is the Warhorse and Smite Evil. It isnt exactly sporting to ride someone down on your Warhorse and Smite Evil simultaneously doing,(assuming mounted feats), extreme boatloads of damage, but that is what the class is meant to do. If you want subdual damage and stunning fists for justice, play a monk. Paladins are about destroying evil, not apprehending it. Furthermore, the DM's contention that it was a wrong act due to the molester being a first level commoner, is metagame thinking. Class and level and not triggering points for spells like forbbidance, thus in effect are not game world descriptors. In real life you dont think of your boss as a "5th level expert" or Michael Jordan as a "10th level monk". Your boss is the guy who knows all about X, MJ is a great athelete, so it should work from a players perspective. The Molester was not a first level commoner, the molester was just, that a scruffy molester. Beyond that, real life 'Paladins", the Knights Templar, often performed 'Conversions by the sword', in essense forcible conversions, sometimes followed by execution so the soul of the recently converted would not lapse into error again, and be assured heaven. While most of us would not consider that good, we also do not have strong religous convictions about the subject, and extreme acts being justified by religous belief still occur today,(slaying of gynecological doctors that perform abortions, honor killings etc). Of course, if none of these convince your DM that your actions were consistent with being a Paladin, bring out this justification: The Player's Handbook explicitly states that a Paladin can not associate with known evil things. Clearly if you apprehended the molester you would be associating with him, and might be forced to defend this evil creature from good folks wanting to exact justice. To satisfy the EXPLICT code of conduct written into the PHB,(unlike this no attack from behind nonsense), you had to kill him. [/QUOTE]
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