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<blockquote data-quote="BlackMoria" data-source="post: 1565573" data-attributes="member: 424"><p>There is three issues of concern in this Paladin debate. Issue 1: Good vs evil. Issue 2: Laws. I am not referring to Law vs Chaos, but judicial law. Issue 3: Honour.</p><p></p><p>Issue 1 - is a child molester considered evil? A subjective evaluation and a thorny issue. Some will say yes, some will say no - so it boils down to what is considered evil for the society at large and for the paladin's faith.</p><p></p><p>Issue 2 - this being a FR campaign, the matter of law is dependant on where you are. If this took place in a bar somewhere in Cormyr, the Silver Marches, Waterdeep or the scores of places in the realms which have codifed laws, the paladin has overstepped his authority. He must serve the good but also, must uphold the law. If a law exists to deal with rape of children, then the Paladin is honour bond to act within the framework of the law. </p><p></p><p>If this took place in Skullport, Calimshan, Thay or the scores of places which don't have codified laws or justice can be 'bought' (namely, law favors who has the most money or influence), the paladin has not overstepped his authority. He has upheld a 'higher' law - a law of fair justice for all.</p><p></p><p>Issue 3 - Now the question of if it is dishonourable for a paladin to slay someone from behind. Almost all real world chivalry requires a person of honour to act honourably to <em>those who warrant honour</em>. A knight of old was not required to act honourably to <em>every</em> person. If a enemy knight act honourably or more correctly, didn't act dishonourably, the knight was required to treat his foe with honour. If a person, regardless of station acted dishonourably, he was considered a churl, a person of no honour and the knight was NOT required to treat that person with honour or respect, since the offender didn't warrant honour or respect.</p><p></p><p>I can make the case that a raper of children has no honour and in the eyes of the paladin, not worthy of any honour-protocol. And therefore, being expendiently being dispatched, even from behind, is all the child molester deserved. Of course, honour is a subjective thing and other posters may disagree. </p><p></p><p>In brief, as in all paladin discussions, the issue is not clear cut. The solution to this issue, IMO, is - Is the molester considered evil? Is there enforceable laws that are just for the crime? Does the molester warrant being treated with honour? If the DM /players can answer that - then what action the paladin merits for his actions should be easier to adjudicate. </p><p></p><p>Another way to resolve this - how would the deity in question react to such a act from a paladin of the faith? If the deity is neutral in reaction of the paladin's actions or approves - then no foul. If the deity disapproves, then the paladin has 'sinned' and penance is required. </p><p></p><p>My two coppers....</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BlackMoria, post: 1565573, member: 424"] There is three issues of concern in this Paladin debate. Issue 1: Good vs evil. Issue 2: Laws. I am not referring to Law vs Chaos, but judicial law. Issue 3: Honour. Issue 1 - is a child molester considered evil? A subjective evaluation and a thorny issue. Some will say yes, some will say no - so it boils down to what is considered evil for the society at large and for the paladin's faith. Issue 2 - this being a FR campaign, the matter of law is dependant on where you are. If this took place in a bar somewhere in Cormyr, the Silver Marches, Waterdeep or the scores of places in the realms which have codifed laws, the paladin has overstepped his authority. He must serve the good but also, must uphold the law. If a law exists to deal with rape of children, then the Paladin is honour bond to act within the framework of the law. If this took place in Skullport, Calimshan, Thay or the scores of places which don't have codified laws or justice can be 'bought' (namely, law favors who has the most money or influence), the paladin has not overstepped his authority. He has upheld a 'higher' law - a law of fair justice for all. Issue 3 - Now the question of if it is dishonourable for a paladin to slay someone from behind. Almost all real world chivalry requires a person of honour to act honourably to [I]those who warrant honour[/I]. A knight of old was not required to act honourably to [I]every[/I] person. If a enemy knight act honourably or more correctly, didn't act dishonourably, the knight was required to treat his foe with honour. If a person, regardless of station acted dishonourably, he was considered a churl, a person of no honour and the knight was NOT required to treat that person with honour or respect, since the offender didn't warrant honour or respect. I can make the case that a raper of children has no honour and in the eyes of the paladin, not worthy of any honour-protocol. And therefore, being expendiently being dispatched, even from behind, is all the child molester deserved. Of course, honour is a subjective thing and other posters may disagree. In brief, as in all paladin discussions, the issue is not clear cut. The solution to this issue, IMO, is - Is the molester considered evil? Is there enforceable laws that are just for the crime? Does the molester warrant being treated with honour? If the DM /players can answer that - then what action the paladin merits for his actions should be easier to adjudicate. Another way to resolve this - how would the deity in question react to such a act from a paladin of the faith? If the deity is neutral in reaction of the paladin's actions or approves - then no foul. If the deity disapproves, then the paladin has 'sinned' and penance is required. My two coppers.... [/QUOTE]
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