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<blockquote data-quote="WarHawke" data-source="post: 6396316" data-attributes="member: 6780265"><p>What is wrong with YOU people?</p><p></p><p>You theorycraft and are complaining about a class and race combination and calling it overpowered? All of the classes have their "overpowered" moments.</p><p></p><p>Have you guys even seen the Cleric? That class is obviously broken. Well not really, but they have some of the buffs/debuffs as the bard. Wizard is nuts later in the game. </p><p></p><p>Magical Secrets? Overpowered? LOL! I dont have the book in front of me... but at level 10 you get two spells up to your spell level that count towards you spells known. </p><p></p><p>If you go with the first bard college (forgot the name) you get 2 spells when you are level 6 up to your current spell casting level that do not count towards your spells known.</p><p></p><p>None of this sounds overpowering. But you are able to specialize into whatever you want to become moreso than other classes. In my opinion at least.</p><p></p><p>And starting as a half elf bard? The most you are going to get with your stats at character creation is a 17 CHA... that is still +3. You get to +4 when you get to level 4. Which is still on par with every other character out there.</p><p></p><p>Humans are more OP. Free feat? +5 to initiative, never surprised. and there are other feats out there that are well worth taking.</p><p></p><p>Now the most obvious advantage at level 18 ? is that you can get the Wish spell, which in turn gives you access to all level 8 and below spells without worrying about losing the spell forever. Then you have wizard level shenanigans going on.</p><p></p><p>TLDR- the class is just as balanced as the others, you can just specialize it a little more into what you want your role to be than the other classes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WarHawke, post: 6396316, member: 6780265"] What is wrong with YOU people? You theorycraft and are complaining about a class and race combination and calling it overpowered? All of the classes have their "overpowered" moments. Have you guys even seen the Cleric? That class is obviously broken. Well not really, but they have some of the buffs/debuffs as the bard. Wizard is nuts later in the game. Magical Secrets? Overpowered? LOL! I dont have the book in front of me... but at level 10 you get two spells up to your spell level that count towards you spells known. If you go with the first bard college (forgot the name) you get 2 spells when you are level 6 up to your current spell casting level that do not count towards your spells known. None of this sounds overpowering. But you are able to specialize into whatever you want to become moreso than other classes. In my opinion at least. And starting as a half elf bard? The most you are going to get with your stats at character creation is a 17 CHA... that is still +3. You get to +4 when you get to level 4. Which is still on par with every other character out there. Humans are more OP. Free feat? +5 to initiative, never surprised. and there are other feats out there that are well worth taking. Now the most obvious advantage at level 18 ? is that you can get the Wish spell, which in turn gives you access to all level 8 and below spells without worrying about losing the spell forever. Then you have wizard level shenanigans going on. TLDR- the class is just as balanced as the others, you can just specialize it a little more into what you want your role to be than the other classes. [/QUOTE]
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