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<blockquote data-quote="Levistus's_Leviathan" data-source="post: 8139798" data-attributes="member: 7023887"><p>That would be a way to exploit that feature (which would require you to be using Two-Weapon Fighting), but that doesn't invalidate anything I said. </p><p></p><p>Like I've said a few times before, the RAI is not explicit on this matter. No game designers have stated whether or not they intend for it to work this way. A</p><p></p><p>Also, it is in the context of making the Attack action, not making two attacks. </p><p></p><p>Moreover is another way of saying "additionally". It doesn't say anything about whether or not you have to make two attacks in order to use this feature. There is a precedent of multiple different abilities being put into the same feature and having "additionally" or "also" to separate those extended benefits. </p><p></p><p>It specifically refers to making an attack, not forcing you to make two attacks in order to use this feature. If you are going to continue arguing that you must make two attacks with this feature in order to gain this benefit (which I know you are, I've been down this road before), I will skip to the end with my next example. </p><p></p><p>Imagine a bladesinger using this feature, attacking first with Green-Flame Blade, killing the last two enemies in the battle. There's no one else to attack, and therefore the bladesinger just doesn't attack again. They took the Attack action, because what action you take is determined before the effects of the action happen, but only cast a cantrip. </p><p></p><p>That scenario would work exactly the same as using Haste to attack once, replacing the attack with a blade cantrip. You aren't forced to make a second attack by the Bladesinger's Extra Attack. That would be ridiculous. </p><p></p><p>You need to read the rules of Two-Weapon Fighting and stop using strawmen. I never claimed that this would work with a bonus action, because it very clearly wouldn't. The bonus action attack from TWF is not an Attack action. However, the Hasted attack is part of the Attack action. </p><p></p><p>It does if it's part of the attack action, and they only replace one of the attacks granted by that action with a cantrip. </p><p></p><p>. . . I don't know what edition's PHB you're using, but it's definitely not 5e's. Go read the rules on Two-Weapon Fighting and Opportunity Attacks and the Attack action. Neither Two-Weapon Fighting's bonus action nor Opportunity Attacks are the Attack action. They're all different. If the bonus action attack and opportunity attack were the Attack action, then a level 20 fighter would be able to make 4 attacks each Action, Bonus Action, and Opportunity Attack.</p><p></p><p>That's very explicitly "the Dodge action", so that would work. However, the bonus action attack from TWF is not "the Attack action", so can you please stop pointing to this illegal example as a support for your argument. </p><p></p><p>I never said that it wasn't. However, the Bladesinger's Extra Attack feature lets you change the action used from the "Cast a Spell action" to "Attack action". I've stated this multiple times. </p><p></p><p>Your action doesn't fail, the spell does. You start the casting of Booming Blade/Green-Flame Blade by making a melee weapon attack. Counterspell won't stop your sword from hitting someone, it will just stop the magical effects of the spell.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Levistus's_Leviathan, post: 8139798, member: 7023887"] That would be a way to exploit that feature (which would require you to be using Two-Weapon Fighting), but that doesn't invalidate anything I said. Like I've said a few times before, the RAI is not explicit on this matter. No game designers have stated whether or not they intend for it to work this way. A Also, it is in the context of making the Attack action, not making two attacks. Moreover is another way of saying "additionally". It doesn't say anything about whether or not you have to make two attacks in order to use this feature. There is a precedent of multiple different abilities being put into the same feature and having "additionally" or "also" to separate those extended benefits. It specifically refers to making an attack, not forcing you to make two attacks in order to use this feature. If you are going to continue arguing that you must make two attacks with this feature in order to gain this benefit (which I know you are, I've been down this road before), I will skip to the end with my next example. Imagine a bladesinger using this feature, attacking first with Green-Flame Blade, killing the last two enemies in the battle. There's no one else to attack, and therefore the bladesinger just doesn't attack again. They took the Attack action, because what action you take is determined before the effects of the action happen, but only cast a cantrip. That scenario would work exactly the same as using Haste to attack once, replacing the attack with a blade cantrip. You aren't forced to make a second attack by the Bladesinger's Extra Attack. That would be ridiculous. You need to read the rules of Two-Weapon Fighting and stop using strawmen. I never claimed that this would work with a bonus action, because it very clearly wouldn't. The bonus action attack from TWF is not an Attack action. However, the Hasted attack is part of the Attack action. It does if it's part of the attack action, and they only replace one of the attacks granted by that action with a cantrip. . . . I don't know what edition's PHB you're using, but it's definitely not 5e's. Go read the rules on Two-Weapon Fighting and Opportunity Attacks and the Attack action. Neither Two-Weapon Fighting's bonus action nor Opportunity Attacks are the Attack action. They're all different. If the bonus action attack and opportunity attack were the Attack action, then a level 20 fighter would be able to make 4 attacks each Action, Bonus Action, and Opportunity Attack. That's very explicitly "the Dodge action", so that would work. However, the bonus action attack from TWF is not "the Attack action", so can you please stop pointing to this illegal example as a support for your argument. I never said that it wasn't. However, the Bladesinger's Extra Attack feature lets you change the action used from the "Cast a Spell action" to "Attack action". I've stated this multiple times. Your action doesn't fail, the spell does. You start the casting of Booming Blade/Green-Flame Blade by making a melee weapon attack. Counterspell won't stop your sword from hitting someone, it will just stop the magical effects of the spell. [/QUOTE]
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