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<blockquote data-quote="Kobold Stew" data-source="post: 7756808" data-attributes="member: 23484"><p>Thanks for all of this. It doesn't necessarily work that way in the world of myth, unfortunately (Zeus is the child of two Titans, but isn't a Titan, but a god). And while Hesiod has a sense of a demigod, Homer does not. </p><p></p><p>Odyssey 10.136 does call Circe a god. You can do with that what you want. My point was about the water-theming, which may be in the Pathfinder thing (I don't know that), but isn't part of her ancient characterization. </p><p></p><p>(And to be clear, there's nothing wrong with making changes and innovate, but if you want Homer's Circe (or Apollonius' -- the only two detailed portraits we have), it's not there.)</p><p></p><p>That's not something that's struck me, but it's an interesting observation.</p><p></p><p>Fair enough. </p><p></p><p>The abilities to summon/tame/communicate with wild animals could be mapped onto something with the spellcasting abilities of a Druid 11, or by a Ranger with multiple beast companions, or by a number of innately-castable spells, or other ways.</p><p></p><p>My point was that there is evidence for taming wild (land) animals but not the water emphasis.</p><p></p><p>Agreed.</p><p></p><p>It's a weird word (possibly derived from Sanskrit, used only in this context) that may point to the earliest element of the story. Later authors tie it to garlic, for whatever that's worth.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Fair enough: Od. 10.237-8 describes the process, and it is clearly a combination of the potion and her wand. The question (in D&D terms) is whether it's her ability or the wand's -- would someone else with her stick have that ability? (or, is it a magic item, or a material component of her spell). I'd say no (and that Odysseus just doesn't abandon a magic item when he leaves the island), but YMMV.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kobold Stew, post: 7756808, member: 23484"] Thanks for all of this. It doesn't necessarily work that way in the world of myth, unfortunately (Zeus is the child of two Titans, but isn't a Titan, but a god). And while Hesiod has a sense of a demigod, Homer does not. Odyssey 10.136 does call Circe a god. You can do with that what you want. My point was about the water-theming, which may be in the Pathfinder thing (I don't know that), but isn't part of her ancient characterization. (And to be clear, there's nothing wrong with making changes and innovate, but if you want Homer's Circe (or Apollonius' -- the only two detailed portraits we have), it's not there.) That's not something that's struck me, but it's an interesting observation. Fair enough. The abilities to summon/tame/communicate with wild animals could be mapped onto something with the spellcasting abilities of a Druid 11, or by a Ranger with multiple beast companions, or by a number of innately-castable spells, or other ways. My point was that there is evidence for taming wild (land) animals but not the water emphasis. Agreed. It's a weird word (possibly derived from Sanskrit, used only in this context) that may point to the earliest element of the story. Later authors tie it to garlic, for whatever that's worth. Fair enough: Od. 10.237-8 describes the process, and it is clearly a combination of the potion and her wand. The question (in D&D terms) is whether it's her ability or the wand's -- would someone else with her stick have that ability? (or, is it a magic item, or a material component of her spell). I'd say no (and that Odysseus just doesn't abandon a magic item when he leaves the island), but YMMV. [/QUOTE]
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