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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 7750148" data-attributes="member: 58172"><p>The Norse Eddas are the main texts that survive, compiled in 1200s. Personally, I am in the camp that views them as (reasonably) representative of diverse local beliefs during the Viking Era, 800-1100. Some of the earlier Sagas are useful for understanding what the Norse actually *did* with regard to their animistic beliefs. There are also various runic inscriptions that are sometimes helpful, such as for understanding Norse magical practices. An archeological perspective is vital for sorting out these texts, and understanding what certain terms are referring too.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I didnt mention the vanir because the ones that are wellknown − Njǫrðr, Freyr, and Freyja − became members of the æsir clan. The rest of the vanir clan are obscure.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>With regard to power, the different clans are ‘nature spirits’ (vættir) are moreorless equal in power.</p><p></p><p> Consider the story Hreiðmarr. He is more powerful than the æsir, and single-handedly defeats three of the most powerful æsir, namely Óðinn, Þórr, and Loki.</p><p></p><p>Hreiðmarr has three sons. Sigurðr the human kills two of them, namely Reginn and Fafnir.</p><p></p><p>I am in the camp that reads the texts relating to Hreiðmarr to mean that he and his sons are dvergar. In which case, the situation is a family of dvergar is more powerful than the æsir, but a human is more powerful than this family of dvergar.</p><p></p><p>An other camp reads the same texts to mean Hreiðmarr is a human, in which case, the situation is a single human who is more powerful than the most powerful æsir.</p><p></p><p>To be fair, Loki (who is a jǫtunn who became one of the æsir) outwits Hreiðmarr, giving him a cursed ring that eventually destroys Hreiðmarr and his family. But to be fair again, it is a dvergr who created this ring of ill fate, and the æsir lack the power to create such a ring.</p><p></p><p>No matter how one reads this and other Norse stories, it is clear these different kinds of ‘nature spirits’ (vættir) are moreorless equal to each other. Some individuals are stronger than other individuals, and sometimes it seems like a game of paper-rock-scissors.</p><p></p><p>In the Norse worldview, there are no ‘gods’ who are more powerful than everyone else.</p><p></p><p>These kinds of stories reflect an animistic worldview.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 7750148, member: 58172"] The Norse Eddas are the main texts that survive, compiled in 1200s. Personally, I am in the camp that views them as (reasonably) representative of diverse local beliefs during the Viking Era, 800-1100. Some of the earlier Sagas are useful for understanding what the Norse actually *did* with regard to their animistic beliefs. There are also various runic inscriptions that are sometimes helpful, such as for understanding Norse magical practices. An archeological perspective is vital for sorting out these texts, and understanding what certain terms are referring too. I didnt mention the vanir because the ones that are wellknown − Njǫrðr, Freyr, and Freyja − became members of the æsir clan. The rest of the vanir clan are obscure. With regard to power, the different clans are ‘nature spirits’ (vættir) are moreorless equal in power. Consider the story Hreiðmarr. He is more powerful than the æsir, and single-handedly defeats three of the most powerful æsir, namely Óðinn, Þórr, and Loki. Hreiðmarr has three sons. Sigurðr the human kills two of them, namely Reginn and Fafnir. I am in the camp that reads the texts relating to Hreiðmarr to mean that he and his sons are dvergar. In which case, the situation is a family of dvergar is more powerful than the æsir, but a human is more powerful than this family of dvergar. An other camp reads the same texts to mean Hreiðmarr is a human, in which case, the situation is a single human who is more powerful than the most powerful æsir. To be fair, Loki (who is a jǫtunn who became one of the æsir) outwits Hreiðmarr, giving him a cursed ring that eventually destroys Hreiðmarr and his family. But to be fair again, it is a dvergr who created this ring of ill fate, and the æsir lack the power to create such a ring. No matter how one reads this and other Norse stories, it is clear these different kinds of ‘nature spirits’ (vættir) are moreorless equal to each other. Some individuals are stronger than other individuals, and sometimes it seems like a game of paper-rock-scissors. In the Norse worldview, there are no ‘gods’ who are more powerful than everyone else. These kinds of stories reflect an animistic worldview. [/QUOTE]
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