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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9189956" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>That's literally completely immaterial and irrelevant to balancing races.</p><p></p><p>People will pick humans even if they're clearly the worst race, sure, that doesn't mean that you shouldn't try and balance races.</p><p></p><p>The issue here is that you're complaining as if there are two conflict agendas/sides, but that's not true. WotC decided how 5E was designed. WotC decided to make 5E's races/species have incredibly dodgy balance. WotC decided to insanely overvalue natural weapons, and natural armour, and rather undervalue innate spellcasting. To be fair they also undervalued Magic Resistance, but they DID fix that, by changing it to be spells only, which is still good but not killer (esp. as they simultaneously steeply reduced how much monsters use actual spells).</p><p></p><p>This is all on WotC either way - they could have fixed it, they could still fix a lot of it if they wanted to. I know a lot of the races got updates with MotM, but the 2024 MM could update the relevant ones from there further.</p><p></p><p>I get that but my dude, why did you edit your post massively (more than doubling its size) to add in a giant discussion which begs a response then lol? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> I'm trying to minimize my response though!</p><p></p><p>Either way, some of points don't really make sense when actually held up to the light and examined. WotC did this. WotC could fix this.</p><p></p><p>To focus on natural weapons and armour - WotC wildly overvalues and it's entirely unclear why. It should change.</p><p></p><p>Sorry to be clear I think your arguments are <em>not</em> silly, and I'm not trying to be annoyance, I just think there's a bit to consider a bit more deeply here.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah this is a very good point and unfortunately it seems WotC's design team have the same issues with unarmed in general as they do with natural weapons.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9189956, member: 18"] That's literally completely immaterial and irrelevant to balancing races. People will pick humans even if they're clearly the worst race, sure, that doesn't mean that you shouldn't try and balance races. The issue here is that you're complaining as if there are two conflict agendas/sides, but that's not true. WotC decided how 5E was designed. WotC decided to make 5E's races/species have incredibly dodgy balance. WotC decided to insanely overvalue natural weapons, and natural armour, and rather undervalue innate spellcasting. To be fair they also undervalued Magic Resistance, but they DID fix that, by changing it to be spells only, which is still good but not killer (esp. as they simultaneously steeply reduced how much monsters use actual spells). This is all on WotC either way - they could have fixed it, they could still fix a lot of it if they wanted to. I know a lot of the races got updates with MotM, but the 2024 MM could update the relevant ones from there further. I get that but my dude, why did you edit your post massively (more than doubling its size) to add in a giant discussion which begs a response then lol? ;) I'm trying to minimize my response though! Either way, some of points don't really make sense when actually held up to the light and examined. WotC did this. WotC could fix this. To focus on natural weapons and armour - WotC wildly overvalues and it's entirely unclear why. It should change. Sorry to be clear I think your arguments are [I]not[/I] silly, and I'm not trying to be annoyance, I just think there's a bit to consider a bit more deeply here. Yeah this is a very good point and unfortunately it seems WotC's design team have the same issues with unarmed in general as they do with natural weapons. [/QUOTE]
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