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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 2477902" data-attributes="member: 2205"><p>Oh, I agree, and I'm not trying to say my orcs = Huns interpretation is rock-solid or "factual", just that I think it makes a better case than orc = Japanese, and that I favor it. The orc = Japanese interpretation requires you to directly contradict what Tolkien has said about his work, for one thing (that there was no real-world correspondence with WW2) while the Huns picture has a few things going for it: <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The description of orcs is very close to the exaggerated descriptions of Huns as pseudo-bestial demonic sub-humans that the Romans and some of the Germanic tribes literally used to describe them.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The Huns were an integral part (as villains) in some of the key primary sources and Germanic sagas that Tolkien read and putatively used as inspiration for the Lord of the Rings in the first place.</li> </ul><p>I'm not so sure about the dwarves and Jews connection either; Tolkien himself referenced that only in regard to the dwarves having undergone a Diaspora and exile from their homeland(s) that paralleled the Jewish condition prior to the re-establishment of the state of Israel in the middle of this century. Other than that, I don't think there's anything particularly Jewish-like about the dwarves at all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 2477902, member: 2205"] Oh, I agree, and I'm not trying to say my orcs = Huns interpretation is rock-solid or "factual", just that I think it makes a better case than orc = Japanese, and that I favor it. The orc = Japanese interpretation requires you to directly contradict what Tolkien has said about his work, for one thing (that there was no real-world correspondence with WW2) while the Huns picture has a few things going for it:[list] [*]The description of orcs is very close to the exaggerated descriptions of Huns as pseudo-bestial demonic sub-humans that the Romans and some of the Germanic tribes literally used to describe them. [*]The Huns were an integral part (as villains) in some of the key primary sources and Germanic sagas that Tolkien read and putatively used as inspiration for the Lord of the Rings in the first place. [/list] I'm not so sure about the dwarves and Jews connection either; Tolkien himself referenced that only in regard to the dwarves having undergone a Diaspora and exile from their homeland(s) that paralleled the Jewish condition prior to the re-establishment of the state of Israel in the middle of this century. Other than that, I don't think there's anything particularly Jewish-like about the dwarves at all. [/QUOTE]
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