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Need help designing a deity that isn't a total ripoff of Dibella from Elder Scrolls
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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6287188" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>While I know only the tiniest bit about Dibella having never played any of the Elder Scrolls, I think the reason you are going to find it hard to not find Im-Tinar to not be a ripoff of Dibella is that I think the core ideal or outlook behind them - promiscuity - is going to naturally manifest itself in the same ways. If the deities central relationship to eros is the same, and the deity is centrally about eros, then the deity in their basic essence and aspect is going to be the same. If you really want to be a difference here, you're going to have to really shift the focus and the viewpoint of the deity. For example, if you want to retain the promisquity then you are perhaps going to want to divorce Im-Tinar entirely from arts or beauty, and getting really non-greek and perhaps inhuman in the outlook on the purpose and usage of sexuality. You could for example make Im-Tinar a goddess of ugliness, humility, compassion, care and healing with the view point that sexuality is not something to possess, but inherently a kindness. Whether or not you want to conjoin that with the obvious aspect of sexuality as procreation or to have it stand as a separate purpose of sexuality in and of itself is another set of viewpoints within that.</p><p></p><p>I do think however such a viewpoint is going to make Im-Tinar into a very contriversial figure, far more so than Im-Tinar in the role of mere pornagraphic focus (as Aphrodite and I suspect Dibella) was. Comparitively speaking, people are comfortable with a shallow focus of eros as love of something desired or desirable because its hitting the lizard brain and typically not questioned because it is desired. The same promiscuity intellectualized and rationalized forces the question of whether promiscuity really can be a helpful, non-destructive, blessed mission in life. If Im-Tinar is actively upholding the idea of having sex with the undesirable, a goddess of genuine pity, then the question becomes is that really something people need, is that a real cure for loneliness, and can you really divorse (in all its senses) yourself from the objects and results of that act. If Im-Tinar is deliberately presenting herself as ugly to the beautiful, or subverting the notion of phsyical beauty though, that at least could be seen as something more than the mere hubris of the attractive.</p><p></p><p>Still even with all that difficulty, or maybe because of all that difficulty, I'd favor that sort of introspection over your typical goddess of 'getting laid to beautiful women'.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The notion of making the world more beautiful by making it a better place, that physical beauty is merely the appropriate outward sign of sincere and real inner beauty, is core doctrine of Aymara mentioned above. I'd not that she's actually more the goddess of chaste love than erotic love though, and is among the least promiscuos of the dieties. She has no dalliance with anyone. It's full on devotion to her spouse Lado. In this way I don't find her like Dibella at all.</p><p></p><p>Now if you want a different sort of take on that, the god Pitarian is the God of Fools - and generally patronized by jesters and the like. He's married to Tholumessa the fire goddess, who is the goddess of unrestricted passion, wantonness and destruction. Tholumessa is the least devoted deity in the pantheon. She dallies with everyone and everything, rendering Pitarian the foremost cockold in the universe. Pitarian though remains utterly and completely faithful to her, not just in action, but in heart. That itself is another take on what means to be a god of love.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6287188, member: 4937"] While I know only the tiniest bit about Dibella having never played any of the Elder Scrolls, I think the reason you are going to find it hard to not find Im-Tinar to not be a ripoff of Dibella is that I think the core ideal or outlook behind them - promiscuity - is going to naturally manifest itself in the same ways. If the deities central relationship to eros is the same, and the deity is centrally about eros, then the deity in their basic essence and aspect is going to be the same. If you really want to be a difference here, you're going to have to really shift the focus and the viewpoint of the deity. For example, if you want to retain the promisquity then you are perhaps going to want to divorce Im-Tinar entirely from arts or beauty, and getting really non-greek and perhaps inhuman in the outlook on the purpose and usage of sexuality. You could for example make Im-Tinar a goddess of ugliness, humility, compassion, care and healing with the view point that sexuality is not something to possess, but inherently a kindness. Whether or not you want to conjoin that with the obvious aspect of sexuality as procreation or to have it stand as a separate purpose of sexuality in and of itself is another set of viewpoints within that. I do think however such a viewpoint is going to make Im-Tinar into a very contriversial figure, far more so than Im-Tinar in the role of mere pornagraphic focus (as Aphrodite and I suspect Dibella) was. Comparitively speaking, people are comfortable with a shallow focus of eros as love of something desired or desirable because its hitting the lizard brain and typically not questioned because it is desired. The same promiscuity intellectualized and rationalized forces the question of whether promiscuity really can be a helpful, non-destructive, blessed mission in life. If Im-Tinar is actively upholding the idea of having sex with the undesirable, a goddess of genuine pity, then the question becomes is that really something people need, is that a real cure for loneliness, and can you really divorse (in all its senses) yourself from the objects and results of that act. If Im-Tinar is deliberately presenting herself as ugly to the beautiful, or subverting the notion of phsyical beauty though, that at least could be seen as something more than the mere hubris of the attractive. Still even with all that difficulty, or maybe because of all that difficulty, I'd favor that sort of introspection over your typical goddess of 'getting laid to beautiful women'. The notion of making the world more beautiful by making it a better place, that physical beauty is merely the appropriate outward sign of sincere and real inner beauty, is core doctrine of Aymara mentioned above. I'd not that she's actually more the goddess of chaste love than erotic love though, and is among the least promiscuos of the dieties. She has no dalliance with anyone. It's full on devotion to her spouse Lado. In this way I don't find her like Dibella at all. Now if you want a different sort of take on that, the god Pitarian is the God of Fools - and generally patronized by jesters and the like. He's married to Tholumessa the fire goddess, who is the goddess of unrestricted passion, wantonness and destruction. Tholumessa is the least devoted deity in the pantheon. She dallies with everyone and everything, rendering Pitarian the foremost cockold in the universe. Pitarian though remains utterly and completely faithful to her, not just in action, but in heart. That itself is another take on what means to be a god of love. [/QUOTE]
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