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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6287347" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>Not really. I just don't find it particularly creative if the actual philosophical undergirding of your setting is, "It's an unconscious mashup of Judeo-Christian and Greek beliefs, with sexual mores set in the immediate aftermath of discovering advanced sanitation, antibiotics, and birth control.... only Judeo-Christian, Greek, advanced santitation, antibiotics, and birth control won't actually appear in the setting." And in particular, with regards to your topic, if you do have that as the undergirding, it's going to almost impossible to not have your 'goddess of love' be a DiBella like neo-pagan rip off of Aphrodite with a gloss of Judeo-Christian's morals welded klunkily to a general 'if it feels good, do it' attitute. You might could put that all together in some way different than DiBella depending on how realized DiBella is, but it will require conscious understanding of your building materials.</p><p></p><p>And in any event, if it's just standins for moral systems of the moment, as a personal preference, "Meh."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's your setting and in practice few players want to dig into it enough to find out if it is more than superficial, but in general this is not something I believe to be true. But then, I'm a Tolkien fan. I expect a setting to be a like a rich deep loam that you can really sink into.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm fairly confused by anyone that would view any society and consider the values arbitary. 'Wrong' I could understand, but even those I don't agree with or which repluse me are not arbitrary. What causes her to believe that they are arbitrary other than ignorance? If she is an outsider, where is she from? What was it about that place that caused her to form her opinions?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ok, so that's sort of interesting. That makes Im-Tinar the goddess of a particular sort of love. To get back to Frozen again, to Im-Tinar true love wasn't expressed by the love between the sisters - which was mere affection or feelings of sisterly duty - and wasn't expressed by Hans the ice seller when he gave Anna to Hans thinking that this was what was best for her. In fact, that was a betrayal of love, a violation of proper loving behavior because he should have acted on his passion (though frankly, it wasn't clear to me he had any). Likewise, Olaf when he builds a fire isn't expressing love for Anna either, because he has no passionate attraction to her. Again, Olaf might only be expressing mere feelings of duty and obligation. The only love in the movie is when Hans the Ice Seller passionately returns to Anna with the intention of professing his desire for her. Anything else, being less or more than that, wasn't love. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not sure I get how that fits. Without the passionate desire, isn't it just friendship? What's the key expression of the desire, the eros, part of this equation? In the high middle ages, the concept of eros got subverted (in theory at least) by replacing the idea that the natural expression of eros wasn't 'the desire to possess', but rather natural and correct eros consisted of 'the desire to worship and revere'. In this way (in theory at least), romantic love and even eros could be expressed with purely chaste intentions, with the object of your eros maintained in a pure and idealized state, untainted by possible unnatural cravings to possess or be possessed. But I'm not sure if that is what you are going for here.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That part I do see how fits. Though again, sanitation, antibiotics, and birth control.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Take your time. I'm trying to learn as I think about this as well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6287347, member: 4937"] Not really. I just don't find it particularly creative if the actual philosophical undergirding of your setting is, "It's an unconscious mashup of Judeo-Christian and Greek beliefs, with sexual mores set in the immediate aftermath of discovering advanced sanitation, antibiotics, and birth control.... only Judeo-Christian, Greek, advanced santitation, antibiotics, and birth control won't actually appear in the setting." And in particular, with regards to your topic, if you do have that as the undergirding, it's going to almost impossible to not have your 'goddess of love' be a DiBella like neo-pagan rip off of Aphrodite with a gloss of Judeo-Christian's morals welded klunkily to a general 'if it feels good, do it' attitute. You might could put that all together in some way different than DiBella depending on how realized DiBella is, but it will require conscious understanding of your building materials. And in any event, if it's just standins for moral systems of the moment, as a personal preference, "Meh." It's your setting and in practice few players want to dig into it enough to find out if it is more than superficial, but in general this is not something I believe to be true. But then, I'm a Tolkien fan. I expect a setting to be a like a rich deep loam that you can really sink into. I'm fairly confused by anyone that would view any society and consider the values arbitary. 'Wrong' I could understand, but even those I don't agree with or which repluse me are not arbitrary. What causes her to believe that they are arbitrary other than ignorance? If she is an outsider, where is she from? What was it about that place that caused her to form her opinions? Ok, so that's sort of interesting. That makes Im-Tinar the goddess of a particular sort of love. To get back to Frozen again, to Im-Tinar true love wasn't expressed by the love between the sisters - which was mere affection or feelings of sisterly duty - and wasn't expressed by Hans the ice seller when he gave Anna to Hans thinking that this was what was best for her. In fact, that was a betrayal of love, a violation of proper loving behavior because he should have acted on his passion (though frankly, it wasn't clear to me he had any). Likewise, Olaf when he builds a fire isn't expressing love for Anna either, because he has no passionate attraction to her. Again, Olaf might only be expressing mere feelings of duty and obligation. The only love in the movie is when Hans the Ice Seller passionately returns to Anna with the intention of professing his desire for her. Anything else, being less or more than that, wasn't love. I'm not sure I get how that fits. Without the passionate desire, isn't it just friendship? What's the key expression of the desire, the eros, part of this equation? In the high middle ages, the concept of eros got subverted (in theory at least) by replacing the idea that the natural expression of eros wasn't 'the desire to possess', but rather natural and correct eros consisted of 'the desire to worship and revere'. In this way (in theory at least), romantic love and even eros could be expressed with purely chaste intentions, with the object of your eros maintained in a pure and idealized state, untainted by possible unnatural cravings to possess or be possessed. But I'm not sure if that is what you are going for here. That part I do see how fits. Though again, sanitation, antibiotics, and birth control. Take your time. I'm trying to learn as I think about this as well. [/QUOTE]
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