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<blockquote data-quote="Magus Coeruleus" data-source="post: 1110959" data-attributes="member: 1704"><p>I hadn't looked at the new Rake text, reaper. I think this clarifies it sufficiently to support your interpretation. My only complaint at this point is with the general Improved Grab text. I think that given how Rake works now, it deserves mention there along with Constrict. I.e. if you have constrict, you do damage from establishing a hold when initiating a grapple. If not, you do damage on a grapple check with the weapon used to make the grapple, unless you have the Rake ability, in which case you gain the Rake attacks in addition. I realize now that the Rake abililty to get those attacks when grappling does not depend on having Improved Grab, but a reminder in the Improved Grab text would help since as it is I feel like I have to look in a dozen places to make sure I really understand each ability.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Magus Coeruleus, post: 1110959, member: 1704"] I hadn't looked at the new Rake text, reaper. I think this clarifies it sufficiently to support your interpretation. My only complaint at this point is with the general Improved Grab text. I think that given how Rake works now, it deserves mention there along with Constrict. I.e. if you have constrict, you do damage from establishing a hold when initiating a grapple. If not, you do damage on a grapple check with the weapon used to make the grapple, unless you have the Rake ability, in which case you gain the Rake attacks in addition. I realize now that the Rake abililty to get those attacks when grappling does not depend on having Improved Grab, but a reminder in the Improved Grab text would help since as it is I feel like I have to look in a dozen places to make sure I really understand each ability. [/QUOTE]
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