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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 9081980" data-attributes="member: 12731"><p><aside>I don't like the idea that some heroes just grow pew pew shooters out of their hands. At least require them to use a wand to shoot their firebolts or whatever, something you can take away so you can shut down their pew-pew-ing ability.</aside></p><p></p><p>As for the general case, if cantrips were limited to physically hopeless classes (like single-classed wizards and sorcs) then maybe. But we all know that's not going to happen. The game will never restrict access to cantrip-using classes, and in fact, hybrid classes are fun and should be welcomed.</p><p></p><p>So we circle back to the problem. The reason you get your bard's dagger problem is because of unlimited cantrips! </p><p></p><p>See? You can't just go "don't mind wizards pew pewing" without recognizing that EVERYBODY gets magical pew pewing! Few classes are entirely non-magical, and all of them can use far heavier weapons than daggers.</p><p></p><p>Either accept that the price for convenient pew-pewing is that simple weapons become obsolete (for PCs), or don't have convenient pew-pewing. Simple <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 9081980, member: 12731"] <aside>I don't like the idea that some heroes just grow pew pew shooters out of their hands. At least require them to use a wand to shoot their firebolts or whatever, something you can take away so you can shut down their pew-pew-ing ability.</aside> As for the general case, if cantrips were limited to physically hopeless classes (like single-classed wizards and sorcs) then maybe. But we all know that's not going to happen. The game will never restrict access to cantrip-using classes, and in fact, hybrid classes are fun and should be welcomed. So we circle back to the problem. The reason you get your bard's dagger problem is because of unlimited cantrips! See? You can't just go "don't mind wizards pew pewing" without recognizing that EVERYBODY gets magical pew pewing! Few classes are entirely non-magical, and all of them can use far heavier weapons than daggers. Either accept that the price for convenient pew-pewing is that simple weapons become obsolete (for PCs), or don't have convenient pew-pewing. Simple :) [/QUOTE]
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