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<blockquote data-quote="Morrus" data-source="post: 5949043" data-attributes="member: 1"><p>OK, I'll accept that "eloquence" was a bad example. But I don't think that invalidates the point. Let's drop "eloquence" and replace it with "gaming":</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">You're good at gaming for a black man.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">You're good at gaming for a homosexual man.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">You're good at gaming for a woman.</li> </ol><p>How does the third differ to the first two in your mind? </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>And, indeed, we'll say it's great to see more women in gaming. This isn't the same statement as those above at all. These things would be evidence that things are changing for the better.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I don't quite get the linquistic trick which enabled you to characterise the sexism we're discussing as "people glad to see someone pursuing a hobby"? </p><p> </p><p>That's not what we're talking about <em>at all</em>. What we're (and when I see "we" I appear to mean "me and a couple of women") trying to discourage is discrimination, not welcoming statements.</p><p> </p><p>Welcoming statements are welcome. We're very much <em>not</em> taking about, as you say, people who are glad to see someone adopting a hobby not common in their demographic. I'm one of the people glad to see people adopting a hobby not common in their demographic; my issue here is the <em>reasons</em> (as laid out by the people in question here in this thread) that that hobby is not common in their demographic.</p><p> </p><p>It all comes down to women saying "we're made uncomfortable by the sexism in this hobby". We can either accept that at face value or not. No amount of semantic or linguistic discussion changes that basic choice.</p><p> </p><p>May I ask - what is your choice here? I'm a little unclear. Do you accept at face value the reasons cited by women in this thread for their non-participation?</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>To me, it's about creating an environment which is welcoming to all who wish to participate. No need to celebrate or embrace anything; just to not make things uncomfortable for anyone (and by "anyone" I mean groups, not individuals).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Morrus, post: 5949043, member: 1"] OK, I'll accept that "eloquence" was a bad example. But I don't think that invalidates the point. Let's drop "eloquence" and replace it with "gaming": [LIST=1] [*]You're good at gaming for a black man. [*]You're good at gaming for a homosexual man. [*]You're good at gaming for a woman. [/LIST]How does the third differ to the first two in your mind? And, indeed, we'll say it's great to see more women in gaming. This isn't the same statement as those above at all. These things would be evidence that things are changing for the better. I don't quite get the linquistic trick which enabled you to characterise the sexism we're discussing as "people glad to see someone pursuing a hobby"? That's not what we're talking about [I]at all[/I]. What we're (and when I see "we" I appear to mean "me and a couple of women") trying to discourage is discrimination, not welcoming statements. Welcoming statements are welcome. We're very much [I]not[/I] taking about, as you say, people who are glad to see someone adopting a hobby not common in their demographic. I'm one of the people glad to see people adopting a hobby not common in their demographic; my issue here is the [I]reasons[/I] (as laid out by the people in question here in this thread) that that hobby is not common in their demographic. It all comes down to women saying "we're made uncomfortable by the sexism in this hobby". We can either accept that at face value or not. No amount of semantic or linguistic discussion changes that basic choice. May I ask - what is your choice here? I'm a little unclear. Do you accept at face value the reasons cited by women in this thread for their non-participation? To me, it's about creating an environment which is welcoming to all who wish to participate. No need to celebrate or embrace anything; just to not make things uncomfortable for anyone (and by "anyone" I mean groups, not individuals). [/QUOTE]
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