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<blockquote data-quote="Abstruse" data-source="post: 7757582" data-attributes="member: 6669048"><p>Except it is when you're talking about industry standard pricing. These factors are set because, unless you're talking big names, freelancer writers, designers, artists, editors, layout, etc. all pretty much get paid about the same amount. Print costs are more or less the same, the only variables being page count and print run size (most printers lower the per-unit price the more you order, so the cost goes down per book at 5000 copies, 10,000 copies, etc.) So yes, it's more accurate to compare the cost of the book to other publishers than it is to a digest-sized reprint of rules that were already written and edited that just needed to be laid out for the new format.</p><p></p><p>Speaking of size, this probably isn't going to be a digest-sized book like the Deluxe Explorer's Edition is. It's more likely to be a standard sized book like other RPGs are, closer to 8 1/2 by 11 than the 6 by 9 of the current printing. That's what the original Explorer's Edition was printed as (the Deluxe Edition didn't come out until 2011). Also, this is a new edition, not "a mod". Even if there's backward compatibility to an extent, it's probably not going to be just minor changes since, even from the information released so far, it's going to have some very large rules changes and game term changes with whole sections being redone.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and POD is <em>way</em> more expensive than a traditional print run. The only difference is you can't do a print run in small numbers. It's the trade-off between the two. Print 5000 at about $4 a book and hope you can sell them all to recoup your costs, or use POD which costs $12 a book. No large publisher is going to use POD for a main product run because the costs are too high, even factoring in storing books before they sell. It's also much slower, so a print run for a POD release selling a few thousand copies may take weeks to actually get to everyone that ordered it instead of just shipping everything out at once. PODs only work for small publishers (who wouldn't be able to sell the numbers at first to justify a large print run unless they get lucky in crowdfunding) or for keeping products in-print that don't make sense to have large warehouses full of products (books for previous editions of the game, like they're doing for Dungeons & Dragons, GURPS, and Cyberpunk 2020).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Abstruse, post: 7757582, member: 6669048"] Except it is when you're talking about industry standard pricing. These factors are set because, unless you're talking big names, freelancer writers, designers, artists, editors, layout, etc. all pretty much get paid about the same amount. Print costs are more or less the same, the only variables being page count and print run size (most printers lower the per-unit price the more you order, so the cost goes down per book at 5000 copies, 10,000 copies, etc.) So yes, it's more accurate to compare the cost of the book to other publishers than it is to a digest-sized reprint of rules that were already written and edited that just needed to be laid out for the new format. Speaking of size, this probably isn't going to be a digest-sized book like the Deluxe Explorer's Edition is. It's more likely to be a standard sized book like other RPGs are, closer to 8 1/2 by 11 than the 6 by 9 of the current printing. That's what the original Explorer's Edition was printed as (the Deluxe Edition didn't come out until 2011). Also, this is a new edition, not "a mod". Even if there's backward compatibility to an extent, it's probably not going to be just minor changes since, even from the information released so far, it's going to have some very large rules changes and game term changes with whole sections being redone. Oh, and POD is [I]way[/I] more expensive than a traditional print run. The only difference is you can't do a print run in small numbers. It's the trade-off between the two. Print 5000 at about $4 a book and hope you can sell them all to recoup your costs, or use POD which costs $12 a book. No large publisher is going to use POD for a main product run because the costs are too high, even factoring in storing books before they sell. It's also much slower, so a print run for a POD release selling a few thousand copies may take weeks to actually get to everyone that ordered it instead of just shipping everything out at once. PODs only work for small publishers (who wouldn't be able to sell the numbers at first to justify a large print run unless they get lucky in crowdfunding) or for keeping products in-print that don't make sense to have large warehouses full of products (books for previous editions of the game, like they're doing for Dungeons & Dragons, GURPS, and Cyberpunk 2020). [/QUOTE]
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