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<blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 8536025" data-attributes="member: 2209"><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warring_States_period#Nobles,_bureaucrats_and_reformers" target="_blank">Warring States period</a> seems characterized by a bunch of militarily opposed states with no central empire. Also the development of the civil service bureaucracy happened then.</p><p></p><p>T'ung Lung seems characterized mostly by the split from the existing Shou Empire with a rival emperor and weak corrupt bureaucracy. The nobility and secret societies plot against their emperor, but they don't seem to be actively at war militarily with each other the way Kozakura is. T'ung Lung is on the mainland of Kara Tur and did not retreat to an island the way Taiwan did, but the split from the empire while maintaining their own called to mind Taiwan to me, but I am open to other possibilities. Ancient China is not something I know in-depth so I am working off of the written text in OA, some surface knowledge, and wikipedia.</p><p></p><p>Do you know of any specific Chinese periods where there is a central empire but it is weak and the bureaucracy is considered corrupt?</p><p></p><p>OA page 137:</p><p></p><p>T'u Lung</p><p>T'u Lung ("Earth Dragon") was part of Shou Lung until a dispute over imperial succession 300 years ago. Claiming its own emperor, T'u Lung set up a separate imperial court. After many wars between the two states, the situation has stabilized. No love is lost between the two empires. In the wars of succession, the Emperor of T'u Lung was supported by powerful officials and nobles of the rebelling provinces. This led to their acquiring great power and strength. Although the government is modeled after that of Shou Lung, the Emperor of T'u Lung (of the Lui Dynasty) has never been able to break the power of his nobles. Thus they control the examination system and have arranged for various offices to become hereditary. Furthermore, their power has allowed them to exempt their estates from most imperial edicts (including taxation). Now the Emperor can only enforce his edicts with the consent of the majority of the nobles. Commoners have little chance to rise in the government and corruption of official posts is common.</p><p>T'u Lung is divided into six provinces, each administered by a hereditary governor. The provinces are divided into districts and official positions are assigned on the basis of family and graft. Although T'u Lung inherited the public works of Shou Lung, these are poorly maintained and new projects are seldom undertaken. The people are easily oppressed, having no recourse to the law. The prime activity in the capital, Chia Wan Ch'uan, is political plotting. Many of the nobles of T'u Lung are leaders of secret societies pledged to overthrow the Emperor.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Voadam, post: 8536025, member: 2209"] [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warring_States_period#Nobles,_bureaucrats_and_reformers']Warring States period[/URL] seems characterized by a bunch of militarily opposed states with no central empire. Also the development of the civil service bureaucracy happened then. T'ung Lung seems characterized mostly by the split from the existing Shou Empire with a rival emperor and weak corrupt bureaucracy. The nobility and secret societies plot against their emperor, but they don't seem to be actively at war militarily with each other the way Kozakura is. T'ung Lung is on the mainland of Kara Tur and did not retreat to an island the way Taiwan did, but the split from the empire while maintaining their own called to mind Taiwan to me, but I am open to other possibilities. Ancient China is not something I know in-depth so I am working off of the written text in OA, some surface knowledge, and wikipedia. Do you know of any specific Chinese periods where there is a central empire but it is weak and the bureaucracy is considered corrupt? OA page 137: T'u Lung T'u Lung ("Earth Dragon") was part of Shou Lung until a dispute over imperial succession 300 years ago. Claiming its own emperor, T'u Lung set up a separate imperial court. After many wars between the two states, the situation has stabilized. No love is lost between the two empires. In the wars of succession, the Emperor of T'u Lung was supported by powerful officials and nobles of the rebelling provinces. This led to their acquiring great power and strength. Although the government is modeled after that of Shou Lung, the Emperor of T'u Lung (of the Lui Dynasty) has never been able to break the power of his nobles. Thus they control the examination system and have arranged for various offices to become hereditary. Furthermore, their power has allowed them to exempt their estates from most imperial edicts (including taxation). Now the Emperor can only enforce his edicts with the consent of the majority of the nobles. Commoners have little chance to rise in the government and corruption of official posts is common. T'u Lung is divided into six provinces, each administered by a hereditary governor. The provinces are divided into districts and official positions are assigned on the basis of family and graft. Although T'u Lung inherited the public works of Shou Lung, these are poorly maintained and new projects are seldom undertaken. The people are easily oppressed, having no recourse to the law. The prime activity in the capital, Chia Wan Ch'uan, is political plotting. Many of the nobles of T'u Lung are leaders of secret societies pledged to overthrow the Emperor. [/QUOTE]
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