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<blockquote data-quote="hejtmane" data-source="post: 6792909" data-attributes="member: 6799371"><p>the best I can put together fighter 2nd level or ranger 2nd level TWF and Human Variant feat Dual Wielder</p><p></p><p>So at level one best stat dex or str gives +5 damage</p><p></p><p>ranger dex with dual rapiers 1d8 +5 and 1d8+5 </p><p></p><p>or fighter dex or str build with 1d8 weapons is the same average damage 19 if they hit both attacks</p><p></p><p>If he is thinking Barbarian with rage at +2 str rage +5 str (20 str) they would not get the second +7 damage with out a two level dip in fighter/ranger that have to be at least level 4</p><p></p><p>His math not adding up now early level wizard has unlimited cantrip no need for a magic item to damage monsters that require magic items fire bolt 1d10 grows in damage by levels (even if they multi class)</p><p>Chilling touch 1d8 plus some other juicy side effects</p><p></p><p>If you get up in a crowd you can do 1d6 to everything in 5ft thunderclap</p><p></p><p>Wizards are better at aoe this really starts to shine as they level </p><p></p><p>First level spells </p><p>witch bolt can do 1d12 the entire fight on one spell by using concentration </p><p>Thunderwave yea it rock in multi monster fights</p><p></p><p></p><p>I would say melee on Single target large monster look good but when you throw in multiple monsters Wizards will rock the world and higher levels they really start to shine Fireball, lighting Bolt etc etc</p><p></p><p>Now Clerics on the other hand are more support oriented caster they have very few damaging spells and druids are kind of in the middle</p><p></p><p></p><p>caster can lay some lumber down and I would say their damage grows more as they level where melees start to level off earlier in the builds</p><p></p><p>just my two cents</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hejtmane, post: 6792909, member: 6799371"] the best I can put together fighter 2nd level or ranger 2nd level TWF and Human Variant feat Dual Wielder So at level one best stat dex or str gives +5 damage ranger dex with dual rapiers 1d8 +5 and 1d8+5 or fighter dex or str build with 1d8 weapons is the same average damage 19 if they hit both attacks If he is thinking Barbarian with rage at +2 str rage +5 str (20 str) they would not get the second +7 damage with out a two level dip in fighter/ranger that have to be at least level 4 His math not adding up now early level wizard has unlimited cantrip no need for a magic item to damage monsters that require magic items fire bolt 1d10 grows in damage by levels (even if they multi class) Chilling touch 1d8 plus some other juicy side effects If you get up in a crowd you can do 1d6 to everything in 5ft thunderclap Wizards are better at aoe this really starts to shine as they level First level spells witch bolt can do 1d12 the entire fight on one spell by using concentration Thunderwave yea it rock in multi monster fights I would say melee on Single target large monster look good but when you throw in multiple monsters Wizards will rock the world and higher levels they really start to shine Fireball, lighting Bolt etc etc Now Clerics on the other hand are more support oriented caster they have very few damaging spells and druids are kind of in the middle caster can lay some lumber down and I would say their damage grows more as they level where melees start to level off earlier in the builds just my two cents [/QUOTE]
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