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<blockquote data-quote="TheDungeonMathster" data-source="post: 9178154" data-attributes="member: 7043203"><p>Parsing the language of the <em>banishment</em> spell, there are two <em>possible</em> ambiguities; however, deeper investigation reveals that both are non-issues.</p><p></p><p>The lack of the phrase, "ending the spell’s effects on it on a successful save" definitely seems to be causing ambiguities. When taken as part of a whole in regards to how spells are designed and written, this missing phrase implies that the spell continues to operate even after the saving throw is made. However, if we assume the spell continues to operate, what does that mean? If the target of the spell initially makes its saving throw, it is not banished. The fact that the spell continues to operate doesn't matter because the phrase, "At the end of each of its turns, a <em>banished creature </em>can repeat the saving throw..." The creature not being banished means there are no other effects. The same is true if a creature initially fails its save, then subsequently makes its save in a future round. Thus, once the creature is "unbanished," this spell has no lingering effects (unless using the rare version of the spell).</p><p></p><p>The other "ambiguity" is due to poor wording. "If the spell ends before its maximum duration, the target reappears in the space it left (or the nearest unoccupied space) but otherwise a target native to a different plane doesn’t return." That language, "but otherwise" in the middle of that last sentence implies, "If the spell lasts until its maximum duration, a target native to a different plane doesn't return."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheDungeonMathster, post: 9178154, member: 7043203"] Parsing the language of the [I]banishment[/I] spell, there are two [I]possible[/I] ambiguities; however, deeper investigation reveals that both are non-issues. The lack of the phrase, "ending the spell’s effects on it on a successful save" definitely seems to be causing ambiguities. When taken as part of a whole in regards to how spells are designed and written, this missing phrase implies that the spell continues to operate even after the saving throw is made. However, if we assume the spell continues to operate, what does that mean? If the target of the spell initially makes its saving throw, it is not banished. The fact that the spell continues to operate doesn't matter because the phrase, "At the end of each of its turns, a [I]banished creature [/I]can repeat the saving throw..." The creature not being banished means there are no other effects. The same is true if a creature initially fails its save, then subsequently makes its save in a future round. Thus, once the creature is "unbanished," this spell has no lingering effects (unless using the rare version of the spell). The other "ambiguity" is due to poor wording. "If the spell ends before its maximum duration, the target reappears in the space it left (or the nearest unoccupied space) but otherwise a target native to a different plane doesn’t return." That language, "but otherwise" in the middle of that last sentence implies, "If the spell lasts until its maximum duration, a target native to a different plane doesn't return." [/QUOTE]
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