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<blockquote data-quote="Jack7" data-source="post: 5759513" data-attributes="member: 54707"><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I almost missed these. Been so busy lately. Excuse the delay, wasn't ignoring you.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Yes, but Fleming killed his bad guys. That's what I mean. But I think you've got a good point, generally speaking about heroic fiction being screwed up in this way.</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">You mean could I kill my own son without regret? No, of course not. I don't like killing anything. And won't unless I have to. But do you mean would I kill him to save innocent loves? Absolutely. </span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I hope you won't misunderstand what I'm saying, but the fact that he was my kid would not be my primary concern.</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Not long ago I had a dog, whom I had bred as part of an experiment. The experiments were very important to me, the dog more-so. Didn't love him as much as my own children, but he came pretty damn close to being like a son to me. As close as an animal could be. Which to me is, at least potentially, a thin line. Especially with dogs because they are so loyal. I often say, "God did man great good by giving him dogs." Huge dog too, extremely intelligent. Just the way I like em. And he had defended my own children from potential harm at risk to his own life on more than one occasion. Just the way I trained him. </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">He was a guard dog for my wife and children and home when I was away, which to me was a high honor among dogs. I owed him. Respected him. </span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">When my family was away he slept with me on my bed. He went with me shooting. We walked in the oods together. I raised him and his brother (maybe the best and outright toughest and most loyal and fearless, and yet gentle dog I ever saw) from pups. I delivered him from a breach birth. </span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">One morning though he attacked my mother, as we were getting ready to go white water rafting, when the very night before he'd had his head in her lap insisting on being petted and hand fed. If I and my other dogs had not attacked him he would have killed my mother. He was easily capable of it.</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I loved the dog. But if not for my wife and children I would have taken him out to the woods behind the house and put a slug in his head right then. Turned out he had a bad brain tumor and he was going crazy through no fault of his own. Nevertheless he had become extremely dangerous, so I had him put down. By painless injection, but still put down. Did I regret it? Yes, I cried on several occasions (rare for me) and wondered if I had figured it our earlier if he could have been saved. If my mother could have been saved the attack. I blamed myself for both things for some time. But the dog was dangerous, and my mother was innocent. I had the dog killed. I regretted it, but I did it cause it had to be done. If dogs survive death, and I both think and hope they do, I intend to see him again, apologize and do what I can to make up for it. But it still had to be done. And the same to me applies to people.</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I have no prejudices about killing, or maybe I have equal prejudices about killing. I hate it, but I never fear it if necessary. I'm pragmatic that way. </span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I have a deal with some of my buddies. If I ever go loopy and become a danger, say I have a brain tumor or something unexpected happens to me and I lose control of my behavior, and I take to harming others, they are to hunt me down and execute me. I'd do the same for them.</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I have certain religious and moral beliefs that guide my behavior. I've never hated anything I've ever killed. But if the situation demands, I kill. (I would never murder, but I will kill to defend self and others.)</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">However not killing my son, or anything or anyone else, and allowing them instead to go to their deaths with innocent blood on their hands is in my opinion, a far worse sin upon both society and their soul (and mine) than me killing them and sparing everyone else the grief and suffering. I'd absorb the grief for my own son's killing a lot better and I think I'd do his soul far greater good than absorbing the grief of 10 (or even 1 other) innocent persons because I lacked the guts to kill one child, even my own. Every innocent person my psychopathic kid killed is someone's son or daughter, or has one of their own. My neighbor and his kid are not beneath me, nor are they of less value than me and my kids, just because they are not my blood. Blood is not thicker than Truth to me. And truth is if my kid was murdering he'd be the lesser man.</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">However even if I had no such religious beliefs, I'd still have a moral and pragmatic obligation to others to do the same.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">It's jest the way I am, and I consider it foolish self-indulgence and spiritually and pragmatically ridiculous to be otherwise. And as a leader of men, and a commander responsible for the protection of women and children, there is no way I'd ask others to endanger themselves for sake of my kid. I've told my own kids that numerous times. I love you immensely, but if you ever take to murder you're on your own and I better never have to track you down myself. Because you won't evade me.</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">But I wouldn't like it, and I would regret it. Hell yeah. Wouldn't stop me though, for everyone's own good. Including theirs. </span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Also another thing that really, really bothered me. Sending trained soldiers to make a cargo exchange but allowing an untrained girl to escort his captured son back - ALONE. Somebody really screwed that one up. If you're not gonna shoot on sight, then at least overwhelm and cripple so he's no danger to anyone else. A broken leg and a few broken fingers and even the girl could have hauled him in safe. If you're gonna go that route.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">That's very interesting considering what they did find, and I didn't know it. Started seeing the show late.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jack7, post: 5759513, member: 54707"] [FONT=Verdana]I almost missed these. Been so busy lately. Excuse the delay, wasn't ignoring you.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana] [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]Yes, but Fleming killed his bad guys. That's what I mean. But I think you've got a good point, generally speaking about heroic fiction being screwed up in this way.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana] [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana] [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]You mean could I kill my own son without regret? No, of course not. I don't like killing anything. And won't unless I have to. But do you mean would I kill him to save innocent loves? Absolutely. [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana] [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]I hope you won't misunderstand what I'm saying, but the fact that he was my kid would not be my primary concern.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana] [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Not long ago I had a dog, whom I had bred as part of an experiment. The experiments were very important to me, the dog more-so. Didn't love him as much as my own children, but he came pretty damn close to being like a son to me. As close as an animal could be. Which to me is, at least potentially, a thin line. Especially with dogs because they are so loyal. I often say, "God did man great good by giving him dogs." Huge dog too, extremely intelligent. Just the way I like em. And he had defended my own children from potential harm at risk to his own life on more than one occasion. Just the way I trained him. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]He was a guard dog for my wife and children and home when I was away, which to me was a high honor among dogs. I owed him. Respected him. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]When my family was away he slept with me on my bed. He went with me shooting. We walked in the oods together. I raised him and his brother (maybe the best and outright toughest and most loyal and fearless, and yet gentle dog I ever saw) from pups. I delivered him from a breach birth. [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana] [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]One morning though he attacked my mother, as we were getting ready to go white water rafting, when the very night before he'd had his head in her lap insisting on being petted and hand fed. If I and my other dogs had not attacked him he would have killed my mother. He was easily capable of it.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana] [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]I loved the dog. But if not for my wife and children I would have taken him out to the woods behind the house and put a slug in his head right then. Turned out he had a bad brain tumor and he was going crazy through no fault of his own. Nevertheless he had become extremely dangerous, so I had him put down. By painless injection, but still put down. Did I regret it? Yes, I cried on several occasions (rare for me) and wondered if I had figured it our earlier if he could have been saved. If my mother could have been saved the attack. I blamed myself for both things for some time. But the dog was dangerous, and my mother was innocent. I had the dog killed. I regretted it, but I did it cause it had to be done. If dogs survive death, and I both think and hope they do, I intend to see him again, apologize and do what I can to make up for it. But it still had to be done. And the same to me applies to people.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana] [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]I have no prejudices about killing, or maybe I have equal prejudices about killing. I hate it, but I never fear it if necessary. I'm pragmatic that way. [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana] [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]I have a deal with some of my buddies. If I ever go loopy and become a danger, say I have a brain tumor or something unexpected happens to me and I lose control of my behavior, and I take to harming others, they are to hunt me down and execute me. I'd do the same for them.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana] [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]I have certain religious and moral beliefs that guide my behavior. I've never hated anything I've ever killed. But if the situation demands, I kill. (I would never murder, but I will kill to defend self and others.)[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana] [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]However not killing my son, or anything or anyone else, and allowing them instead to go to their deaths with innocent blood on their hands is in my opinion, a far worse sin upon both society and their soul (and mine) than me killing them and sparing everyone else the grief and suffering. I'd absorb the grief for my own son's killing a lot better and I think I'd do his soul far greater good than absorbing the grief of 10 (or even 1 other) innocent persons because I lacked the guts to kill one child, even my own. Every innocent person my psychopathic kid killed is someone's son or daughter, or has one of their own. My neighbor and his kid are not beneath me, nor are they of less value than me and my kids, just because they are not my blood. Blood is not thicker than Truth to me. And truth is if my kid was murdering he'd be the lesser man.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana] [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]However even if I had no such religious beliefs, I'd still have a moral and pragmatic obligation to others to do the same.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]It's jest the way I am, and I consider it foolish self-indulgence and spiritually and pragmatically ridiculous to be otherwise. And as a leader of men, and a commander responsible for the protection of women and children, there is no way I'd ask others to endanger themselves for sake of my kid. I've told my own kids that numerous times. I love you immensely, but if you ever take to murder you're on your own and I better never have to track you down myself. Because you won't evade me.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana] [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]But I wouldn't like it, and I would regret it. Hell yeah. Wouldn't stop me though, for everyone's own good. Including theirs. [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana] [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Also another thing that really, really bothered me. Sending trained soldiers to make a cargo exchange but allowing an untrained girl to escort his captured son back - ALONE. Somebody really screwed that one up. If you're not gonna shoot on sight, then at least overwhelm and cripple so he's no danger to anyone else. A broken leg and a few broken fingers and even the girl could have hauled him in safe. If you're gonna go that route. That's very interesting considering what they did find, and I didn't know it. Started seeing the show late. [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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