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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 6029410" data-attributes="member: 6696971"><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: white">Alright, let me attempt to clarify this way:</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: white">- The boots say that the user makes no sound over antagonistic terrain (dry leaves, gravel, etc).</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: white">- The Stealth rules do not state that you otherwise have a disadvantage for travelling over antagonistic terrain - netiher a negative modifier/advantage to stealth roll nor a positive modifier/advantage to contestant's Listen roll.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: white">Question - How do the Boots interact with the mechanical resolution system for Stealth?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: white">Answer - They do not.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: white">Question - Therefore, what advantage, mechanically, do you have over someone who doesn't have the boots?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: white">Answer - You have none.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: white">OR</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: white">You have an advantage - cancellation of disadvantage on your Stealth roll or negation of advantage on contestant's Perception roll. HOWEVER, this ad-hoc is nowhere to be found in the Stealth rules. I literally just divined this...pulled it out of my DM hat. Expect the situation to play out like this:</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: white">Bob the DM: Jack the elf, you have found soft supple leather boots with leafy and vine motif!</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: white">Jack: WOOT, BOOTS OF ELVENKIND. I IDENTIFY THEM BOB THE DM!</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: white">Bob the DM: You cast your incantation. A magical aura is revealed indicating a strong Transmutation effect. Roll your Magical Lore/Arcana (whatever check). </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: white">Jack: WOOT, I GOT A 4 MILLION AND 87.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: white">Bob the DM: They are Boots of Elvenkind...a heritage item of your people whispered amongst legends lost in the role of years.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: white">Jack: WOOT. OK, WHAT DO THEY DO?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: white">Bob the DM: Well. You put them on and your footfalls are as quiet as death. You make no sound travelling over the crunching foliage.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: white">Jack: I MEAN MECHANICALLY BOB. WHAT DO THEY DO? WE NEVER HAD DISADVANTAGE FOR MOVING OVER LEAVES AND STUFF BEFORE NOR DID THE OTHER GUY GET ADVANTAGE TO HEAR US. DON'T THESE BOOTS DO SOMETHING?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: white">Bob the DM: Um. You're silent now.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: white">Jack: UM. JACK. THE RULES SAY WE HAVE TO HIDE BEHIND STUFF OR IN DARKNESS/SHADOWS OR FOG BUT THEY DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT US BEING QUIET. SO BASICALLY WE'RE ALWAYS QUIET. WHAT ADVANTAGE DO I HAVE OVER TINA THE DWARF HERE?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: white">Bob the DM: Um. Ok folks. From now on, all Stealth rolls in forests and on gravel and stuff now give you disadvantage. Jack. Your boots cancel that disadvantage.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: white">Jack: AWESOME! BUT WHY DON'T THE RULES JUST SAY THAT.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: white">Bob the DM - I don't know....</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: white">Tina: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 6029410, member: 6696971"] [COLOR=white] [/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=white]Alright, let me attempt to clarify this way:[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=white] [/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=white]- The boots say that the user makes no sound over antagonistic terrain (dry leaves, gravel, etc).[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=white] [/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=white]- The Stealth rules do not state that you otherwise have a disadvantage for travelling over antagonistic terrain - netiher a negative modifier/advantage to stealth roll nor a positive modifier/advantage to contestant's Listen roll.[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=white] [/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=white]Question - How do the Boots interact with the mechanical resolution system for Stealth?[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=white] [/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=white]Answer - They do not.[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=white] [/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=white]Question - Therefore, what advantage, mechanically, do you have over someone who doesn't have the boots?[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=white] [/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=white]Answer - You have none.[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=white] [/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=white]OR[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=white] [/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=white]You have an advantage - cancellation of disadvantage on your Stealth roll or negation of advantage on contestant's Perception roll. HOWEVER, this ad-hoc is nowhere to be found in the Stealth rules. I literally just divined this...pulled it out of my DM hat. Expect the situation to play out like this:[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=white] [/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=white]Bob the DM: Jack the elf, you have found soft supple leather boots with leafy and vine motif![/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=white] [/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=white]Jack: WOOT, BOOTS OF ELVENKIND. I IDENTIFY THEM BOB THE DM![/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=white] [/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=white]Bob the DM: You cast your incantation. A magical aura is revealed indicating a strong Transmutation effect. Roll your Magical Lore/Arcana (whatever check). [/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=white] [/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=white]Jack: WOOT, I GOT A 4 MILLION AND 87.[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=white] [/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=white]Bob the DM: They are Boots of Elvenkind...a heritage item of your people whispered amongst legends lost in the role of years.[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=white] [/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=white]Jack: WOOT. OK, WHAT DO THEY DO?[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=white] [/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=white]Bob the DM: Well. You put them on and your footfalls are as quiet as death. You make no sound travelling over the crunching foliage.[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=white] [/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=white]Jack: I MEAN MECHANICALLY BOB. WHAT DO THEY DO? WE NEVER HAD DISADVANTAGE FOR MOVING OVER LEAVES AND STUFF BEFORE NOR DID THE OTHER GUY GET ADVANTAGE TO HEAR US. DON'T THESE BOOTS DO SOMETHING?[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=white] [/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=white]Bob the DM: Um. You're silent now.[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=white] [/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=white]Jack: UM. JACK. THE RULES SAY WE HAVE TO HIDE BEHIND STUFF OR IN DARKNESS/SHADOWS OR FOG BUT THEY DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT US BEING QUIET. SO BASICALLY WE'RE ALWAYS QUIET. WHAT ADVANTAGE DO I HAVE OVER TINA THE DWARF HERE?[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=white] [/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=white]Bob the DM: Um. Ok folks. From now on, all Stealth rolls in forests and on gravel and stuff now give you disadvantage. Jack. Your boots cancel that disadvantage.[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=white] [/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=white]Jack: AWESOME! BUT WHY DON'T THE RULES JUST SAY THAT.[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=white] [/COLOR] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=white]Bob the DM - I don't know....[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=white]Tina: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=white] [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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