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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5794275" data-attributes="member: 35909"><p>Not bizzaro world, my experiences are basically identically, as I lengthily explained above. IME players don't want to 15MAD or 20MWD or whatever you call it, they came to play a game and have fun, they want to press on if it's not suicidal to do so, not fight, then rest, then fight, then rest. The only hindrance to getting in multiple combats I've ever seen in actual play has been the DM.</p><p></p><p>And yes, in actual play, myself and most others players that seem to know how to optimize seem to prefer non-casters, whether for the challenge or the fact they can "get away with" more nasty combos and tricks without disrupting game balance or whatever. Or sometimes they'll ostensibly play a caster, but use its casting to supplement the character's physical attack routine, like a cleric archer, rather than traditional spell-slinging. I have seen some exceptions of course, though most of the time when I saw a skilled optimizer try and make and PLAY a caster as a caster, it was either because: 1) The DM had nerfed melee on numerous occasions (saying a RAW valid ability was unrealistic; severely limiting the magical items melee needs; introducing critical fumble rules; etc...) and ended up just frustrating the veteran player or 2) The game has already been clearly shown to be a complete broken mess and the player just feels like screwing around for fun (one of my first 3E games, DM allowed ring of 3 wishes to grant more wishes, wishes for templates did not add LA, +6 int items boosted BONUS by +6, and other insane/stupid houserules; so one guy made a nigh invincible half celestial half troll half dragon sorcerer whose lowest stat was 40 and his brother made a caster that researched epic spells to turn various metals into platinum and back and completely destroyed the in game economy).</p><p></p><p>Again, just my experiences, but you're certainly not alone.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5794275, member: 35909"] Not bizzaro world, my experiences are basically identically, as I lengthily explained above. IME players don't want to 15MAD or 20MWD or whatever you call it, they came to play a game and have fun, they want to press on if it's not suicidal to do so, not fight, then rest, then fight, then rest. The only hindrance to getting in multiple combats I've ever seen in actual play has been the DM. And yes, in actual play, myself and most others players that seem to know how to optimize seem to prefer non-casters, whether for the challenge or the fact they can "get away with" more nasty combos and tricks without disrupting game balance or whatever. Or sometimes they'll ostensibly play a caster, but use its casting to supplement the character's physical attack routine, like a cleric archer, rather than traditional spell-slinging. I have seen some exceptions of course, though most of the time when I saw a skilled optimizer try and make and PLAY a caster as a caster, it was either because: 1) The DM had nerfed melee on numerous occasions (saying a RAW valid ability was unrealistic; severely limiting the magical items melee needs; introducing critical fumble rules; etc...) and ended up just frustrating the veteran player or 2) The game has already been clearly shown to be a complete broken mess and the player just feels like screwing around for fun (one of my first 3E games, DM allowed ring of 3 wishes to grant more wishes, wishes for templates did not add LA, +6 int items boosted BONUS by +6, and other insane/stupid houserules; so one guy made a nigh invincible half celestial half troll half dragon sorcerer whose lowest stat was 40 and his brother made a caster that researched epic spells to turn various metals into platinum and back and completely destroyed the in game economy). Again, just my experiences, but you're certainly not alone. [/QUOTE]
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