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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5798004" data-attributes="member: 957"><p>That is a pretty severe parsing of words.</p><p></p><p>You presented not getting there on time as a problem caused by simulation. The lack of the actual word "criticism" does nothing to change that.</p><p></p><p>And you continue to change the terms of the conversation. Your initial point that got my attention was about calculating how far a character could travel and determining whether or not the character could get there in time. Obviously for that analysis to exist there must be a known distance and time already established. So creating new situations in which the issue simply does not apply does nothing to challenge my point, it just changes the subject.</p><p></p><p>I'll simply restate my point. If a character needs to get from A to B in X time and those elements are known and it also turns out that the character can not travel that far in X time, then broadly speaking the DM has two options.</p><p></p><p>He can work with the way simulation would have it and the character does not arrive on time.</p><p></p><p>Or he can reject simulation and declare that the character will get there on time anyway.</p><p></p><p>If the DM chooses the later then every choice the player made which caused them to be at A is meaningless to the question because they are still getting there on time. And thus any other player who made decisions which did permit their character to get there on time have likewise had their choices rendered meaningless because they would have gotten their on time even had they not made those choices.</p><p></p><p>And once the DM opens the box of replacing the consequences of good and bad choices for one part of the game, it is down to DM whim on every other choice along the way.</p><p></p><p>It is fine to call that latter option more fun. But whether you consider it an overwhelmingly superior choice or not is not relevant to the simple logical result that the latter option moves cause and effect from being a consistent value to being a case by case matter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 5798004, member: 957"] That is a pretty severe parsing of words. You presented not getting there on time as a problem caused by simulation. The lack of the actual word "criticism" does nothing to change that. And you continue to change the terms of the conversation. Your initial point that got my attention was about calculating how far a character could travel and determining whether or not the character could get there in time. Obviously for that analysis to exist there must be a known distance and time already established. So creating new situations in which the issue simply does not apply does nothing to challenge my point, it just changes the subject. I'll simply restate my point. If a character needs to get from A to B in X time and those elements are known and it also turns out that the character can not travel that far in X time, then broadly speaking the DM has two options. He can work with the way simulation would have it and the character does not arrive on time. Or he can reject simulation and declare that the character will get there on time anyway. If the DM chooses the later then every choice the player made which caused them to be at A is meaningless to the question because they are still getting there on time. And thus any other player who made decisions which did permit their character to get there on time have likewise had their choices rendered meaningless because they would have gotten their on time even had they not made those choices. And once the DM opens the box of replacing the consequences of good and bad choices for one part of the game, it is down to DM whim on every other choice along the way. It is fine to call that latter option more fun. But whether you consider it an overwhelmingly superior choice or not is not relevant to the simple logical result that the latter option moves cause and effect from being a consistent value to being a case by case matter. [/QUOTE]
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