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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 7772130" data-attributes="member: 6787503"><p>It most certainly is RAW! The condition is that you take the Attack action on your turn, so the appropriate question is whether the player/character takes the Attack action on their turn, and if they do, then they also get to use a bonus action to shove on their turn.</p><p></p><p>Whether it's RAI isn't something about which I've seen any sort of definitive statement. I take Jeremy Crawford's tweet of four years ago as evidence, however, that the RAI is that you get to decide when on your turn to use the bonus action shove.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Can you provide a citation for your first claim? If that was the intent, I don't think the feat does a very good job of expressing it.</p><p></p><p>As for your second claim, I think it's ridiculous. Players declare actions. It's Step 2 of the basic pattern of play: The players describe what they want to do.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, you have! You took the Attack action when you shoved, because without taking the Attack action in some other way, you don't meet the condition for using your bonus action. Luckily the feat is written in such a way that this isn't a problem, since it's letting you do something as a bonus action that would normally require the action that you have to take to meet the condition for using it as a bonus action.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The feat was designed to do what it does, which is in part to give your character the ability to shove a creature using its bonus action. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm sorry, but I don't need your permission to play any particular way at my table.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And you think it's a good thing that this ruling made you want to stop playing your character?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 7772130, member: 6787503"] It most certainly is RAW! The condition is that you take the Attack action on your turn, so the appropriate question is whether the player/character takes the Attack action on their turn, and if they do, then they also get to use a bonus action to shove on their turn. Whether it's RAI isn't something about which I've seen any sort of definitive statement. I take Jeremy Crawford's tweet of four years ago as evidence, however, that the RAI is that you get to decide when on your turn to use the bonus action shove. Can you provide a citation for your first claim? If that was the intent, I don't think the feat does a very good job of expressing it. As for your second claim, I think it's ridiculous. Players declare actions. It's Step 2 of the basic pattern of play: The players describe what they want to do. Yes, you have! You took the Attack action when you shoved, because without taking the Attack action in some other way, you don't meet the condition for using your bonus action. Luckily the feat is written in such a way that this isn't a problem, since it's letting you do something as a bonus action that would normally require the action that you have to take to meet the condition for using it as a bonus action. The feat was designed to do what it does, which is in part to give your character the ability to shove a creature using its bonus action. I'm sorry, but I don't need your permission to play any particular way at my table. And you think it's a good thing that this ruling made you want to stop playing your character? [/QUOTE]
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