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<blockquote data-quote="Asgorath" data-source="post: 7772187" data-attributes="member: 6921966"><p>Did you actually watch the video I've linked a few times now? He talks about his original (incorrect) tweet in some detail, and he makes it extremely clear that his original tweet was a mistake on his part. And, given that he's the lead rules designer, I think his more recent in-depth discussions about the intent of the Shield Master shove bonus action gives a better insight into the rules than a quick off-hand tweet that he made while standing in line at Trader Joe's or whatever it was.</p><p></p><p>As discussed in the video, if the intent was for Shield Master to just give you a bonus action shove, then it would've said exactly that (i.e. no timing restriction, you just get a bonus action). Similarly, if the intent was to grant permanent advantage on all attacks, it would've just said that. D&D is a co-op game and he goes to great lengths in the video to explain that it's meant to be a finishing move that helps your melee allies out. You can chose to ignore all of this of course, but I really think it's hard to deny what the intent of the rule is at this point.</p><p></p><p>For me, the only slightly grey area is whether or not you have to take all attacks granted by Extra Attack before the Attack action is considered "taken". As I linked above, JEC has tweeted that the intent is yes, it really is meant to be slice-slice-shove not slice-shove-slice. This isn't really spelled out in the PHB, but I'll take his word for it that this was the intent (given that, you know, he probably wrote the rule in the first place). If I was a DM and someone had taken this feat and really wanted to slice-shove-slice, I would let them, because after the first attack you have committed yourself to the Attack action and can't take any other actions on your turn (outside of Action Surge of course).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Asgorath, post: 7772187, member: 6921966"] Did you actually watch the video I've linked a few times now? He talks about his original (incorrect) tweet in some detail, and he makes it extremely clear that his original tweet was a mistake on his part. And, given that he's the lead rules designer, I think his more recent in-depth discussions about the intent of the Shield Master shove bonus action gives a better insight into the rules than a quick off-hand tweet that he made while standing in line at Trader Joe's or whatever it was. As discussed in the video, if the intent was for Shield Master to just give you a bonus action shove, then it would've said exactly that (i.e. no timing restriction, you just get a bonus action). Similarly, if the intent was to grant permanent advantage on all attacks, it would've just said that. D&D is a co-op game and he goes to great lengths in the video to explain that it's meant to be a finishing move that helps your melee allies out. You can chose to ignore all of this of course, but I really think it's hard to deny what the intent of the rule is at this point. For me, the only slightly grey area is whether or not you have to take all attacks granted by Extra Attack before the Attack action is considered "taken". As I linked above, JEC has tweeted that the intent is yes, it really is meant to be slice-slice-shove not slice-shove-slice. This isn't really spelled out in the PHB, but I'll take his word for it that this was the intent (given that, you know, he probably wrote the rule in the first place). If I was a DM and someone had taken this feat and really wanted to slice-shove-slice, I would let them, because after the first attack you have committed yourself to the Attack action and can't take any other actions on your turn (outside of Action Surge of course). [/QUOTE]
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