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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7772385" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>The problem is that you cannot resolve it with the rules. The rule is that the shove is a bonus action, that means that per the rules, it is not an action. If he wants to house rule that it becomes an action, turning into some sort of paradox where the bonus actions gives itself the ability to be a bonus action, that's fine. He's free to do as he likes for his game. What he can't do, though, is make the claim that the shove is the action as he did. That's a statement of fact about the rules that just isn't true.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We are a highly limited pool of very experienced DM's. I don't think what is happening in this thread is an indicator that the new ruling is bad advice. I think it's more an indicator that we like to tinker with the game a lot. I know I do. I've highly edited every edition I've played. That doesn't make the rules I change bad ones. It just makes them ones that I think I can do better for my game.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This I totally agree with. D&D is a very flexible system and that's one of the main reasons I've been with it since 1983.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>With a house rule, sure. I don't have any problem with a DM running it this way. It's just not how the feat is written, or the official ruling has been made.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7772385, member: 23751"] The problem is that you cannot resolve it with the rules. The rule is that the shove is a bonus action, that means that per the rules, it is not an action. If he wants to house rule that it becomes an action, turning into some sort of paradox where the bonus actions gives itself the ability to be a bonus action, that's fine. He's free to do as he likes for his game. What he can't do, though, is make the claim that the shove is the action as he did. That's a statement of fact about the rules that just isn't true. We are a highly limited pool of very experienced DM's. I don't think what is happening in this thread is an indicator that the new ruling is bad advice. I think it's more an indicator that we like to tinker with the game a lot. I know I do. I've highly edited every edition I've played. That doesn't make the rules I change bad ones. It just makes them ones that I think I can do better for my game. This I totally agree with. D&D is a very flexible system and that's one of the main reasons I've been with it since 1983. With a house rule, sure. I don't have any problem with a DM running it this way. It's just not how the feat is written, or the official ruling has been made. [/QUOTE]
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