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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 3342259" data-attributes="member: 2205"><p>Quite right, although Uyghur and Ogur/Ugrian word are not actually related either--despite their similarity in sound.</p><p></p><p>That said, I haven't seen that idea put forward seriously. Lots of etymological sources seem to present it as an idea that lacks any meaningful support. They do mention it, but I have yet to see anyone support it.</p><p></p><p>Well, the Oxford English Dictionary is a bit better than the Random House College Student Dictionary in that regard. The OED is usually cited as the premiere source for that kind of thing, actually.</p><p></p><p>And no, etymology itself isn't that precise, but comparative and historical linguistics is, and that's the foundation for serious etymological discussions. You have extraordinarily precise sound changes like Grimm's Law, Verner's Law, the High German consonant shift, the "Great Vowel Shift" etc. In fact, without them, there'd be no way to distinguish between etymologies that are accurate and those that look accurate but which are merely coincidental. Like the word Ogur leading to ogre, which is completely coincidental, according to any expert I've read.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 3342259, member: 2205"] Quite right, although Uyghur and Ogur/Ugrian word are not actually related either--despite their similarity in sound. That said, I haven't seen that idea put forward seriously. Lots of etymological sources seem to present it as an idea that lacks any meaningful support. They do mention it, but I have yet to see anyone support it. Well, the Oxford English Dictionary is a bit better than the Random House College Student Dictionary in that regard. The OED is usually cited as the premiere source for that kind of thing, actually. And no, etymology itself isn't that precise, but comparative and historical linguistics is, and that's the foundation for serious etymological discussions. You have extraordinarily precise sound changes like Grimm's Law, Verner's Law, the High German consonant shift, the "Great Vowel Shift" etc. In fact, without them, there'd be no way to distinguish between etymologies that are accurate and those that look accurate but which are merely coincidental. Like the word Ogur leading to ogre, which is completely coincidental, according to any expert I've read. [/QUOTE]
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