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<blockquote data-quote="grimslade" data-source="post: 5836781" data-attributes="member: 6061"><p>But more comprehensive does not mean exhaustive, and many times comprehensive rules become a big hassle to combine to do a simple task. Grappling had comprehensive rule set in 3.x, it was more hassle than it was worth. 4E had detailed powers with comprehensive rules. How could a laser cleric disarm a maguffin from the BBEG to keep the ritual from being completed. The fighter and rogue both have encounter powers that disarm, but the cleric does not. Do you use the comprehensive skill challenge rules? Is it just a skill check? No rule set is exhaustive and comprehensive rulesets sometimes preclude players from attempting obvious tactics due to the complexity to resolve or even initiate the action.</p><p>A comprehensive ruleset is a noble goal but there is a price. The price is a rigidity of thinking, there is a separation of player thought and character thought. The player has to metagame to try and accomplish an intuitive action. The DM has to navigate the myriad of rules subsystems to figure out how to judge the outcome. It is rule by interpretation vs. fiat.</p><p>So, comprehensive rules are good. They still will not cover every situation and with a wide set of differing mechanics can limit play by complexity and creating boxed thinking.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="grimslade, post: 5836781, member: 6061"] But more comprehensive does not mean exhaustive, and many times comprehensive rules become a big hassle to combine to do a simple task. Grappling had comprehensive rule set in 3.x, it was more hassle than it was worth. 4E had detailed powers with comprehensive rules. How could a laser cleric disarm a maguffin from the BBEG to keep the ritual from being completed. The fighter and rogue both have encounter powers that disarm, but the cleric does not. Do you use the comprehensive skill challenge rules? Is it just a skill check? No rule set is exhaustive and comprehensive rulesets sometimes preclude players from attempting obvious tactics due to the complexity to resolve or even initiate the action. A comprehensive ruleset is a noble goal but there is a price. The price is a rigidity of thinking, there is a separation of player thought and character thought. The player has to metagame to try and accomplish an intuitive action. The DM has to navigate the myriad of rules subsystems to figure out how to judge the outcome. It is rule by interpretation vs. fiat. So, comprehensive rules are good. They still will not cover every situation and with a wide set of differing mechanics can limit play by complexity and creating boxed thinking. [/QUOTE]
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