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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 9119963" data-attributes="member: 7023840"><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.enworld.org/threads/understanding-history-why-serious-scholarship-of-d-d-matters.698849/[/URL]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am not going to belabor the point, since I recall you .... well, let's say I have an otherworldly recollection of <em>disintegrate v. wildshape</em>.</p><p></p><p>That said, the "two-class" rule has <em>no relevance </em>once you become a Bard. Why? Because it doesn't. </p><p></p><p>The Character with Two Classes is a rule for <em>exactly that</em>, the character with two classes. While it applies when you are "pre-Bard," by definition it cannot apply when you are a Bard, because <em>you are no longer a character with two classes. </em>By the express terms of the rule, it is about "attain[ing] the second class[.]"</p><p></p><p></p><p>On the other hand, the Bard "<em>class <u>subsumes </u>the functions of two other classes, fighters and thieves, and tops them off with magical abilities.</em>" Moreover, after doing completing the "two class" requirement, "<em>bards must leave off thieving and begin clerical studies as druids; but at this time <u>they are actually bards</u> and under druidical tutelage.</em>"</p><p></p><p>They do not follow <em>any rules</em> from the two-class character; instead, they have all of their own rules. </p><p></p><p>Finally, and one more time- Sage Advice (especially from Dragon 42 on) was reserved for rules questions that were to be answered in an official capacity. That doesn't mean that they are always perfect .... <em>just like the rules in the PHB and the DMG are not always perfect</em> ... but they are as "official" as you can get. </p><p></p><p>And now I'm done. You are welcome to tilt at whatever quixotic windmills you wish, but please do so with another person. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 9119963, member: 7023840"] [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.enworld.org/threads/understanding-history-why-serious-scholarship-of-d-d-matters.698849/[/URL] I am not going to belabor the point, since I recall you .... well, let's say I have an otherworldly recollection of [I]disintegrate v. wildshape[/I]. That said, the "two-class" rule has [I]no relevance [/I]once you become a Bard. Why? Because it doesn't. The Character with Two Classes is a rule for [I]exactly that[/I], the character with two classes. While it applies when you are "pre-Bard," by definition it cannot apply when you are a Bard, because [I]you are no longer a character with two classes. [/I]By the express terms of the rule, it is about "attain[ing] the second class[.]" On the other hand, the Bard "[I]class [U]subsumes [/U]the functions of two other classes, fighters and thieves, and tops them off with magical abilities.[/I]" Moreover, after doing completing the "two class" requirement, "[I]bards must leave off thieving and begin clerical studies as druids; but at this time [U]they are actually bards[/U] and under druidical tutelage.[/I]" They do not follow [I]any rules[/I] from the two-class character; instead, they have all of their own rules. Finally, and one more time- Sage Advice (especially from Dragon 42 on) was reserved for rules questions that were to be answered in an official capacity. That doesn't mean that they are always perfect .... [I]just like the rules in the PHB and the DMG are not always perfect[/I] ... but they are as "official" as you can get. And now I'm done. You are welcome to tilt at whatever quixotic windmills you wish, but please do so with another person. :) [/QUOTE]
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