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On second thought, DriveThruRPG isn't as bad as i initially thought...
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<blockquote data-quote="Cergorach" data-source="post: 1587183" data-attributes="member: 725"><p>This is so very true, we can only hope ;-)</p><p>But what most publishers seem to mean by 'casual pirate' is the guy that buys the product and e-mails it to bis buddies, that doesn't work anymore. Believe it or not there are loads of people that don't know how programs like kazaa work or that find it 'scarry' to use.</p><p></p><p>I don't doubt that there will be a moment when the exact pdfs sold by DTRPG will be available op p2p sans Adobe DRM. But as it stands now, there's no one that has been able to remove Adobe DRM from the ebook files... In the future there will be, but not now at this moment (i would love someone to prove me wrong)...</p><p></p><p></p><p>Scuse me, but that's not why the format was developed. Although your partially right about the ease of transport, collect all the layout/font/collering/etc. in one file. But cost and copy/paste is not why it was developed, although it is often used that way.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yup, i miss bookmarks as well, but you can add those yourself (if i understand adobe correctly).</p><p></p><p>Pirated copies are often <em>not</em> OCRed, some are bookmarked, but not all of them. You can't find an OCRed product from Fantasy Flight Games on the net, some of their products aren't even scanned, path of magic is, but the other path books aren't. So FFG books that have selectable text are quite rare to say the least. Also the copies sold at DTRPG are significantly smaller then those found online and the DTRPG ones are of significant better quality.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I already have all the FFG, S&S, etc. books in print form, i want a version i can select text from. Yeah it sucks that i have to pay more for a product i already own, but that is the reality of the matter. The pirated copies don't have selectable text.</p><p></p><p></p><p>True, the pdf market isn't huge, but with the titles DTRPG carries i'm sure the market just got a bigger piece of pie to divide. There are lots of people who are really interested in FFG and WW electronic products, but wouldn't consider buying other PDFs.</p><p></p><p>No internet on laptop, as i said use an ethernet cable. pdas have synchronisation capabilities with the host pc.</p><p></p><p>The only options DTRPG has removed from the market are the new products from Malhavoc, Guardian of Order, and Fiery Dragon. All the other companies listed at DTRPG are new and wouldn't have entered the pdf market if no DRM was involved (otherwise they would have done so with RPGnow some have even said this).</p><p></p><p></p><p>FFG gave a perfectly reasonable explanation on why they don't further discount their in print products, it's very reasonable for a <em>print</em> publisher. FFG for example doesn't want to pioneer the pdf market, it wants to offer a service for their fans, the fans that can't get their products in another fashion. THey actually want you to buy the actual product instead of the electronic version. That's a very sound business plan if your income doesn't depend on electronic products (the same can be said for the other publishers).</p><p></p><p></p><p>Six figure income, hahaha, i can only wish! Mentally unstable, probably, i play RPGs don't i... ;-)</p><p></p><p>Let me throw around some figures: Path of the Sword, a book i already own, but i really want to have a selectable text version. I can scan it (a couple of hours of work or i have to destroy the book) and OCR it (another many, many hours of work to do it right). Or i can spend my €20 on the electronic copy and work two hours of overtime at work. Basic economics, do i work 40 hours on an OCR project or do i spend €20 on the legal copy?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think you mean functionality instead of quality. Yes most 'non-professional' e-book publishers have published mre functional pdfs. But htey are pdf publishers, not print publishers. Btw, the products at DTRPG aren't scanned versions of products, they are created from the original files, big difference (there might be a few exceptions)!</p><p></p><p></p><p>They seem to be aiming at a whole different markt segment, and don't forget, the publishers featured on DTRPG won't go under from bad pdf sales, because they depend on print sales and ebooks are for now only a secondary market.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Exclusive as in legal exclusive electronic products. Not to mention that for now the products at DTRPG are text selectable and that most pirated products aren't, that will probably change as someone will figure out how to crack the Adobe DRM, but for now that's also pretty much exclusive...</p><p></p><p></p><p>Depends on what people are looking for and what their budget is, if your happy with a 100MB file where you can't select text from and can't search, but can't get onto another rmachine, then yeah, DTRPG isn't for them. On the other hand if you can work with DRM on the platforms you want to read it one, want a 10MB file and have $30 bucks to spend, then DTRPG is for you. I think that a lot of people will do both...</p><p></p><p>Sure, they might loose some customers, buy they also gain a lot of new customers with the new (print) publishers entering the ebook market. They might loose you, but they probably gain more than they loose (no one is going to get a definitive answer on that subject, because if you do one, you can'tdo the other).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cergorach, post: 1587183, member: 725"] This is so very true, we can only hope ;-) But what most publishers seem to mean by 'casual pirate' is the guy that buys the product and e-mails it to bis buddies, that doesn't work anymore. Believe it or not there are loads of people that don't know how programs like kazaa work or that find it 'scarry' to use. I don't doubt that there will be a moment when the exact pdfs sold by DTRPG will be available op p2p sans Adobe DRM. But as it stands now, there's no one that has been able to remove Adobe DRM from the ebook files... In the future there will be, but not now at this moment (i would love someone to prove me wrong)... Scuse me, but that's not why the format was developed. Although your partially right about the ease of transport, collect all the layout/font/collering/etc. in one file. But cost and copy/paste is not why it was developed, although it is often used that way. Yup, i miss bookmarks as well, but you can add those yourself (if i understand adobe correctly). Pirated copies are often [i]not[/i] OCRed, some are bookmarked, but not all of them. You can't find an OCRed product from Fantasy Flight Games on the net, some of their products aren't even scanned, path of magic is, but the other path books aren't. So FFG books that have selectable text are quite rare to say the least. Also the copies sold at DTRPG are significantly smaller then those found online and the DTRPG ones are of significant better quality. I already have all the FFG, S&S, etc. books in print form, i want a version i can select text from. Yeah it sucks that i have to pay more for a product i already own, but that is the reality of the matter. The pirated copies don't have selectable text. True, the pdf market isn't huge, but with the titles DTRPG carries i'm sure the market just got a bigger piece of pie to divide. There are lots of people who are really interested in FFG and WW electronic products, but wouldn't consider buying other PDFs. No internet on laptop, as i said use an ethernet cable. pdas have synchronisation capabilities with the host pc. The only options DTRPG has removed from the market are the new products from Malhavoc, Guardian of Order, and Fiery Dragon. All the other companies listed at DTRPG are new and wouldn't have entered the pdf market if no DRM was involved (otherwise they would have done so with RPGnow some have even said this). FFG gave a perfectly reasonable explanation on why they don't further discount their in print products, it's very reasonable for a [i]print[/i] publisher. FFG for example doesn't want to pioneer the pdf market, it wants to offer a service for their fans, the fans that can't get their products in another fashion. THey actually want you to buy the actual product instead of the electronic version. That's a very sound business plan if your income doesn't depend on electronic products (the same can be said for the other publishers). Six figure income, hahaha, i can only wish! Mentally unstable, probably, i play RPGs don't i... ;-) Let me throw around some figures: Path of the Sword, a book i already own, but i really want to have a selectable text version. I can scan it (a couple of hours of work or i have to destroy the book) and OCR it (another many, many hours of work to do it right). Or i can spend my €20 on the electronic copy and work two hours of overtime at work. Basic economics, do i work 40 hours on an OCR project or do i spend €20 on the legal copy? I think you mean functionality instead of quality. Yes most 'non-professional' e-book publishers have published mre functional pdfs. But htey are pdf publishers, not print publishers. Btw, the products at DTRPG aren't scanned versions of products, they are created from the original files, big difference (there might be a few exceptions)! They seem to be aiming at a whole different markt segment, and don't forget, the publishers featured on DTRPG won't go under from bad pdf sales, because they depend on print sales and ebooks are for now only a secondary market. Exclusive as in legal exclusive electronic products. Not to mention that for now the products at DTRPG are text selectable and that most pirated products aren't, that will probably change as someone will figure out how to crack the Adobe DRM, but for now that's also pretty much exclusive... Depends on what people are looking for and what their budget is, if your happy with a 100MB file where you can't select text from and can't search, but can't get onto another rmachine, then yeah, DTRPG isn't for them. On the other hand if you can work with DRM on the platforms you want to read it one, want a 10MB file and have $30 bucks to spend, then DTRPG is for you. I think that a lot of people will do both... Sure, they might loose some customers, buy they also gain a lot of new customers with the new (print) publishers entering the ebook market. They might loose you, but they probably gain more than they loose (no one is going to get a definitive answer on that subject, because if you do one, you can'tdo the other). [/QUOTE]
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