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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 8289823" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Meh, I don't think so. I mean, there's plenty of, nothing BUT, 'diagetic actions' in a game like Dungeon World, yet 'MSP' proponents generally abhor this type of game, or at least don't consider it to have much connection with skilled play. So clearly it isn't 'action stemming from fiction or character' which is the primary goal, or at least there are other substantial elements to that agenda. </p><p></p><p>Frankly, not meaning to put down anyone's preferences, but I think analyses of SP (GSP/MSP, whatever) come off to me as post-hoc justifications. SP exists in that there is a tradition with specific conventions, and many of the elements logically support each other, but I'm not convinced there is any deep agenda beyond "play in this style we are familiar with and like." That is perfectly sufficient, but asking for an analytical understanding of it is like asking for an analytical understanding of US Army field drill. It is done the way it is done because it has always been done that way, end of answer (a translation of a New Kingdom Egyptian drill cadence goes "left! left! left, right, left!" with the EXACT SAME CADENCE, it is 4,000 years of unchanged tradition).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 8289823, member: 82106"] Meh, I don't think so. I mean, there's plenty of, nothing BUT, 'diagetic actions' in a game like Dungeon World, yet 'MSP' proponents generally abhor this type of game, or at least don't consider it to have much connection with skilled play. So clearly it isn't 'action stemming from fiction or character' which is the primary goal, or at least there are other substantial elements to that agenda. Frankly, not meaning to put down anyone's preferences, but I think analyses of SP (GSP/MSP, whatever) come off to me as post-hoc justifications. SP exists in that there is a tradition with specific conventions, and many of the elements logically support each other, but I'm not convinced there is any deep agenda beyond "play in this style we are familiar with and like." That is perfectly sufficient, but asking for an analytical understanding of it is like asking for an analytical understanding of US Army field drill. It is done the way it is done because it has always been done that way, end of answer (a translation of a New Kingdom Egyptian drill cadence goes "left! left! left, right, left!" with the EXACT SAME CADENCE, it is 4,000 years of unchanged tradition). [/QUOTE]
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