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<blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 9303786" data-attributes="member: 6689464"><p>I'm one of those who have argued for putting wizard under sorcerer, but I must admit I did it in more of a bad faith and as a way to demonstrate some of my points rather than because I don't want wizards to exist as a separate class (I do prefer the split, if anything I might argue in favor of splitting sorcerer even further). </p><p></p><p>My points are:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The Wizard isn't generic, and thematically it is very narrow. While the sorcerer is a thematically broader -if undersupported- class.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">To counteract the argument "Oh, but wizards can have an inherent/inborn gift for magic too, so sorcerer tottes is a flavor of wizard." I don't subscribe to that argument (that traditionally wizards have an innate gift too) and I've never played with someone claiming that, but if it is true, the conclusion is that wizard is a flavor of sorcerer not the other way around.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">To showcase the mechanical and thematic versatility of the sorcerer, under current D&D rules it is almost trivial to get something wizard-like out of the sorcerer while it is hard to do it the other way around.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">To show that these efforts will always come short. Neither mine nor [USER=7034710]@CreamCloud0[/USER] 's subclasses preserve everything wizardly about the wizard, and that is with for a class that is already thematically narrow using a subclass that has a lot of thematic and mechanical room. Putting the thematically more diverse sorcerer into the more narrow wizard with less room in the subclasses for it will only get an even worse result.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">In part to bait someone else to post their own as a rebuttal that somehow misses the point. (And this time someone did)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">And because I suspect deep down that people calling for a merger just want to kill the sorcerer and give wizards the spoils (aka metamagic)</li> </ul><p></p><p>But I like wizards separate. I just want sorcerers to be propperly supported.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MoonSong, post: 9303786, member: 6689464"] I'm one of those who have argued for putting wizard under sorcerer, but I must admit I did it in more of a bad faith and as a way to demonstrate some of my points rather than because I don't want wizards to exist as a separate class (I do prefer the split, if anything I might argue in favor of splitting sorcerer even further). My points are: [LIST] [*]The Wizard isn't generic, and thematically it is very narrow. While the sorcerer is a thematically broader -if undersupported- class. [*]To counteract the argument "Oh, but wizards can have an inherent/inborn gift for magic too, so sorcerer tottes is a flavor of wizard." I don't subscribe to that argument (that traditionally wizards have an innate gift too) and I've never played with someone claiming that, but if it is true, the conclusion is that wizard is a flavor of sorcerer not the other way around. [*]To showcase the mechanical and thematic versatility of the sorcerer, under current D&D rules it is almost trivial to get something wizard-like out of the sorcerer while it is hard to do it the other way around. [*]To show that these efforts will always come short. Neither mine nor [USER=7034710]@CreamCloud0[/USER] 's subclasses preserve everything wizardly about the wizard, and that is with for a class that is already thematically narrow using a subclass that has a lot of thematic and mechanical room. Putting the thematically more diverse sorcerer into the more narrow wizard with less room in the subclasses for it will only get an even worse result. [*]In part to bait someone else to post their own as a rebuttal that somehow misses the point. (And this time someone did) [*]And because I suspect deep down that people calling for a merger just want to kill the sorcerer and give wizards the spoils (aka metamagic) [/LIST] But I like wizards separate. I just want sorcerers to be propperly supported. [/QUOTE]
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