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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9318368" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>But this gets immediately to the definition problem. </p><p></p><p>Is a Swordsman who is so skilled he can cut a spell in half "mundane" or "supernatural"? As you stated earlier, from an older perspective on the universe, that is a nonsense question, because skill is what made someone supernatural. People did not cast magic because they were better than other people, they cast magic because they <em><strong>knew secrets</strong></em> that allowed them to do so. Brewing a potion that made the drinker immortal and gave them iron skin was a matter of knowing how to brew that potion. </p><p></p><p>But, many many people, as you point out, would say that no matter how skilled a swordsman is, they can't cut a spell or deflect a lightning bolt without some sort of magical abilities that allow them to do so. They reject that transcendent skill exists. </p><p></p><p>The distinction I am making is not that transcendent skill does not exist, I believe it should, but that people who are calling on "mundane" characters don't WANT transcendent skills. For example, Batman has already been brought up as a man with completely mundane skills.... But that is ludicrous by this point in his history. His supposed lack of anything special about him is why he is referred to as a Gary Stu or having the power of plot armor, because the things he does in many comics are so far beyond normal mundane people, that to keep claiming he is ordinary breaks belief. I have seen people WITH SUPERPOWERS perform feats of strength, speed and/or intellect that are less impressive than Batman (in some comics), so... I reject that Batman is "mundane" under the definition of Mundane that is "achievable by ordinary humans"</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9318368, member: 6801228"] But this gets immediately to the definition problem. Is a Swordsman who is so skilled he can cut a spell in half "mundane" or "supernatural"? As you stated earlier, from an older perspective on the universe, that is a nonsense question, because skill is what made someone supernatural. People did not cast magic because they were better than other people, they cast magic because they [I][B]knew secrets[/B][/I] that allowed them to do so. Brewing a potion that made the drinker immortal and gave them iron skin was a matter of knowing how to brew that potion. But, many many people, as you point out, would say that no matter how skilled a swordsman is, they can't cut a spell or deflect a lightning bolt without some sort of magical abilities that allow them to do so. They reject that transcendent skill exists. The distinction I am making is not that transcendent skill does not exist, I believe it should, but that people who are calling on "mundane" characters don't WANT transcendent skills. For example, Batman has already been brought up as a man with completely mundane skills.... But that is ludicrous by this point in his history. His supposed lack of anything special about him is why he is referred to as a Gary Stu or having the power of plot armor, because the things he does in many comics are so far beyond normal mundane people, that to keep claiming he is ordinary breaks belief. I have seen people WITH SUPERPOWERS perform feats of strength, speed and/or intellect that are less impressive than Batman (in some comics), so... I reject that Batman is "mundane" under the definition of Mundane that is "achievable by ordinary humans" [/QUOTE]
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