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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9319598" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>But in a magical world... EVERYONE is magical. Literally, the plants are magical, the dogs are magical, everything in the fantasy world is suffused with magic.</p><p></p><p>See, this is the point you aren't getting about my position. If you look at the actual stats (not the lifting and pulling numbers) Your 1st level fighter is as strong as a gorilla (16 strength). They are as strong as a vampire spawn (16 strength) and by either rolling or by 4th level they can be as strong as your average master vampire (18 strength). Strahd Von Zarovich, who should be equivalent to Dracula from Castlevania has an 18 strength. And Dracula is throwing people through stone walls and casually overpowering everyone with sheer physical strength. </p><p></p><p>If I said a Vampire could punch through a steel plate, people wouldn't blink an eye. Because Vampires are supernaturally strong, stronger than humans... and yet they are also only as strong as tier 1 characters. So, why is it that my Warforged Fighter at level 10 with a 20 strength can't punch through a stone wall Kool-Aid man style? Because people insist he isn't magical?! This is a robot that can out-wrestle a vampire, and stand a decent chance in a 1v1 with a master vampire. Who can dominate scrub vampires. But he's "just mundane" because... what? His muscles aren't declared magical? He's a magical robot! </p><p></p><p>I'm not saying "oh no, human fighter you aren't magical enough to play in the sandbox" I'm saying "HEY PEOPLE! That Human Fighter is innately magical as heck! They should be able to achieve those mythical feats from legends, so lets stop pretending they are just like us earth humans and stop holding them back!" </p><p></p><p>I get that you want the heroes to be nothing special. You want them to be everymen and everywomen whose sole special property is that they have the grit and determination to step up. I just want to take that a step further. After a few adventures, as they move from level 5 towards level 11, as they go from the hero who saved a town from raiders to a hero who saved a city from a demonic invasion... they become something special. They get better than they were when they first picked up a sword. Having heart and courage is wonderful, but if that was all it took, then monsters wouldn't be a threat, because many people have heart and courage in the face of destruction.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9319598, member: 6801228"] But in a magical world... EVERYONE is magical. Literally, the plants are magical, the dogs are magical, everything in the fantasy world is suffused with magic. See, this is the point you aren't getting about my position. If you look at the actual stats (not the lifting and pulling numbers) Your 1st level fighter is as strong as a gorilla (16 strength). They are as strong as a vampire spawn (16 strength) and by either rolling or by 4th level they can be as strong as your average master vampire (18 strength). Strahd Von Zarovich, who should be equivalent to Dracula from Castlevania has an 18 strength. And Dracula is throwing people through stone walls and casually overpowering everyone with sheer physical strength. If I said a Vampire could punch through a steel plate, people wouldn't blink an eye. Because Vampires are supernaturally strong, stronger than humans... and yet they are also only as strong as tier 1 characters. So, why is it that my Warforged Fighter at level 10 with a 20 strength can't punch through a stone wall Kool-Aid man style? Because people insist he isn't magical?! This is a robot that can out-wrestle a vampire, and stand a decent chance in a 1v1 with a master vampire. Who can dominate scrub vampires. But he's "just mundane" because... what? His muscles aren't declared magical? He's a magical robot! I'm not saying "oh no, human fighter you aren't magical enough to play in the sandbox" I'm saying "HEY PEOPLE! That Human Fighter is innately magical as heck! They should be able to achieve those mythical feats from legends, so lets stop pretending they are just like us earth humans and stop holding them back!" I get that you want the heroes to be nothing special. You want them to be everymen and everywomen whose sole special property is that they have the grit and determination to step up. I just want to take that a step further. After a few adventures, as they move from level 5 towards level 11, as they go from the hero who saved a town from raiders to a hero who saved a city from a demonic invasion... they become something special. They get better than they were when they first picked up a sword. Having heart and courage is wonderful, but if that was all it took, then monsters wouldn't be a threat, because many people have heart and courage in the face of destruction. [/QUOTE]
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