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[OOC] The Forges of the Mountain King- 1st Level Dwarf PCs [Full]
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<blockquote data-quote="Goonalan" data-source="post: 5598994" data-attributes="member: 16069"><p>I guess at this point you are beginning to realise that this is a killer scenario, well... it is- I spoke to Harley Stroh about it (he wrote it) and he confessed that he had only had the 4e rules explained to him when he wrote it. He was kinda guessing about some stuff, Goodman Games, and Mr. Stroh tend to write scenarios which are much more challenging than the run of the mill WOTC fare.</p><p></p><p>I've DM'ed this scenario previously, as I said some time ago, it resulted in a TPK after three encounters- you're on your third encounter now. Just to reassure you however this wasn't the encounter we TPK'ed at last time.</p><p></p><p>After the TPK the players were so annoyed they rolled up new Dwarves (we played it with Dwarves last time- same intro) and headed back in- at which point they kicked ass, no further deaths although several times they got close again to individual (and group) demise.</p><p></p><p>The guys (and one gal) that played it were all new to D&D 4e, in fact four of the five players had never played an RPG previously- this was the fourth scenario they had played (ever). </p><p></p><p>The ones before this were-</p><p></p><p>Keep on the Shadowfell (1 PC Death- the guy that had played D&D, and 4e previously funnily enough).</p><p></p><p>Sellswords of Punjar (another Goodman Games scenario- 3 PC Deaths)</p><p></p><p>Thunderspire Labyrinth (no deaths)</p><p></p><p>This one came next.</p><p></p><p>Just to say I am trying to help you along a bit- the first Encounter I made much easier, it was originally 5 Fire Beetles- each one getting a go with its 3d6 Fire Spray attack.</p><p></p><p>The second encounter with the Ogre and the Ragged Dwarves I reduced the defences of the Dwarves and the Ogre on the fly, and made the Ogre -2 To Hit while it was in the water, but didn't enforce the rule for you guys.</p><p></p><p>In this encounter I have again dropped the defences of the bad guys...</p><p></p><p>My point is I'm trying to give you a boost, and that's fine by me- I want a great story and dramatic action.</p><p></p><p>You may however want to consider some more OOC chat- it would have been possible to get clear of the Ogre (including Mardred) reverse in to a much better environment, possibly with Readied Actions and have mullered (got four of you around the Ogre) the beast and taken them down one-by-one in a choke point.</p><p></p><p>Obviously this kind of tactics is a lot harder to do because you are not around a table, everything takes much longer to work out. The other factor is you have no leader, I don't mean someone dishing out the healing I mean someone saying- this is what we should do, and everyone agreeing, or not agreeing but doing it anyway.</p><p></p><p>Again, this is not a problem, I enjoy the chaos of it all. It needs to be said however it is very much harder to disengage from a fight than it is to plan the place to stage the fight. Once you're in, then... well, you're pretty much in.</p><p></p><p>So why am I writing all of this, two reasons-</p><p></p><p>1) Sorry, this is a hard scenario, there will more than likely be more deaths... It's not you playing badly, its just... a terror. Remember though, that's a good thing- complete this and you get to tell the tale.</p><p></p><p>2) It's been done before, I've seen it- it took Daily Powers and Action Points, and tactics, and good dice rolls... But it can be done. </p><p></p><p>And here's the thing- you can do it!</p><p></p><p>Perhaps with a little more OOC chat et al.</p><p></p><p>Good Luck- Bottoms Up!</p><p></p><p>2)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Goonalan, post: 5598994, member: 16069"] I guess at this point you are beginning to realise that this is a killer scenario, well... it is- I spoke to Harley Stroh about it (he wrote it) and he confessed that he had only had the 4e rules explained to him when he wrote it. He was kinda guessing about some stuff, Goodman Games, and Mr. Stroh tend to write scenarios which are much more challenging than the run of the mill WOTC fare. I've DM'ed this scenario previously, as I said some time ago, it resulted in a TPK after three encounters- you're on your third encounter now. Just to reassure you however this wasn't the encounter we TPK'ed at last time. After the TPK the players were so annoyed they rolled up new Dwarves (we played it with Dwarves last time- same intro) and headed back in- at which point they kicked ass, no further deaths although several times they got close again to individual (and group) demise. The guys (and one gal) that played it were all new to D&D 4e, in fact four of the five players had never played an RPG previously- this was the fourth scenario they had played (ever). The ones before this were- Keep on the Shadowfell (1 PC Death- the guy that had played D&D, and 4e previously funnily enough). Sellswords of Punjar (another Goodman Games scenario- 3 PC Deaths) Thunderspire Labyrinth (no deaths) This one came next. Just to say I am trying to help you along a bit- the first Encounter I made much easier, it was originally 5 Fire Beetles- each one getting a go with its 3d6 Fire Spray attack. The second encounter with the Ogre and the Ragged Dwarves I reduced the defences of the Dwarves and the Ogre on the fly, and made the Ogre -2 To Hit while it was in the water, but didn't enforce the rule for you guys. In this encounter I have again dropped the defences of the bad guys... My point is I'm trying to give you a boost, and that's fine by me- I want a great story and dramatic action. You may however want to consider some more OOC chat- it would have been possible to get clear of the Ogre (including Mardred) reverse in to a much better environment, possibly with Readied Actions and have mullered (got four of you around the Ogre) the beast and taken them down one-by-one in a choke point. Obviously this kind of tactics is a lot harder to do because you are not around a table, everything takes much longer to work out. The other factor is you have no leader, I don't mean someone dishing out the healing I mean someone saying- this is what we should do, and everyone agreeing, or not agreeing but doing it anyway. Again, this is not a problem, I enjoy the chaos of it all. It needs to be said however it is very much harder to disengage from a fight than it is to plan the place to stage the fight. Once you're in, then... well, you're pretty much in. So why am I writing all of this, two reasons- 1) Sorry, this is a hard scenario, there will more than likely be more deaths... It's not you playing badly, its just... a terror. Remember though, that's a good thing- complete this and you get to tell the tale. 2) It's been done before, I've seen it- it took Daily Powers and Action Points, and tactics, and good dice rolls... But it can be done. And here's the thing- you can do it! Perhaps with a little more OOC chat et al. Good Luck- Bottoms Up! 2) [/QUOTE]
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