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<blockquote data-quote="Son of Meepo" data-source="post: 6044268" data-attributes="member: 78756"><p>I think this is just one of those unclear rules that is going to have to be left to the DM, but here is the source of the confusion.</p><p></p><p>In PHB2, the not supported by a solid surface rule was under the Unaffected by the Environment bullet point. In the Rules Compendium it was moved to the Occupies no Squares bullet point. So it is certainly reasonable to suggest that the change was intentional and that floating is dependent upon not occupying a square.</p><p></p><p>I suspect a lot of people still use the PHB2 rules because it makes for a lot of headaches. (Encounter with flying creatures or multiple levels of terrain, etc.)</p><p></p><p>If the conjuration can't move vertically and doesn't have the ability to climb (no Athletics score and no climb speed) then it can never change elevations.</p><p></p><p>A conjuration can't swim either (no swim speed and no athletics skill). Can it move in water at all or is that covered by the environment? And if water is, then why isn't air? (Which is why I suspect the rule was originally there.)</p><p></p><p>Does an Eagle Shaman's spirit companion really just "hop" around?</p><p></p><p>I think the intent was that occupied one square means just that. Another creature can't occupy the same square but I could certainly see other DMs ruling differently.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Son of Meepo, post: 6044268, member: 78756"] I think this is just one of those unclear rules that is going to have to be left to the DM, but here is the source of the confusion. In PHB2, the not supported by a solid surface rule was under the Unaffected by the Environment bullet point. In the Rules Compendium it was moved to the Occupies no Squares bullet point. So it is certainly reasonable to suggest that the change was intentional and that floating is dependent upon not occupying a square. I suspect a lot of people still use the PHB2 rules because it makes for a lot of headaches. (Encounter with flying creatures or multiple levels of terrain, etc.) If the conjuration can't move vertically and doesn't have the ability to climb (no Athletics score and no climb speed) then it can never change elevations. A conjuration can't swim either (no swim speed and no athletics skill). Can it move in water at all or is that covered by the environment? And if water is, then why isn't air? (Which is why I suspect the rule was originally there.) Does an Eagle Shaman's spirit companion really just "hop" around? I think the intent was that occupied one square means just that. Another creature can't occupy the same square but I could certainly see other DMs ruling differently. [/QUOTE]
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