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<blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 3045978" data-attributes="member: 29014"><p>Oh, I would have stuck to core races and classes happily and did so initially (I don't want this to have to become a charop escalation is all), but you pulled in the other stuff, including mentioning psywar yourself, so I thought that meant I should too? For the Aberrant feats, I guess the Dralasite can take those too--or become a Totemist to get extra attacks. </p><p></p><p>That said, I think using Warforged as a basis for starting to balance a race is both a mistake and a tragedy (perhaps a bit of an overstatement to call it a tragedy, but the tone fits for the way I think of it, perhaps 'sadness' would be a better word?) that is perhaps the most insidious effect of allowing races like Warforged and the Whisper Gnome out there--the two races themselves are easy enough to fix or just bump up in LA unless you want them to be standard fixtures for the world (the reason designers gave for making a blatantly LA +1 race like the Warforged LA +0 in Eberron, which I will buy when I GM Eberron games), but it leads designers of new races astray when used as a baseline. Back when it was only the dwarves that were oddly overpowered, it was easy to dismiss them as an anomaly, but with the others that are even more powerful, you see people saying in any attempt to use the other races as a baseline: "Oh the elves are just an underpowered race. I don't need to balance the new race with them" "What about the halflings?" "Also underpowered." "The gnomes?" "Underpowered too. And don't even ask about half-elves and half-orcs."</p><p></p><p>EDIT: I'm not saying you would say that in this case, but I remember someone on these boards who did. He came in last year with an "LA +0" race that had regeneration and other crazy powers and then used arguments like the ones I'm making.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rystil Arden, post: 3045978, member: 29014"] Oh, I would have stuck to core races and classes happily and did so initially (I don't want this to have to become a charop escalation is all), but you pulled in the other stuff, including mentioning psywar yourself, so I thought that meant I should too? For the Aberrant feats, I guess the Dralasite can take those too--or become a Totemist to get extra attacks. That said, I think using Warforged as a basis for starting to balance a race is both a mistake and a tragedy (perhaps a bit of an overstatement to call it a tragedy, but the tone fits for the way I think of it, perhaps 'sadness' would be a better word?) that is perhaps the most insidious effect of allowing races like Warforged and the Whisper Gnome out there--the two races themselves are easy enough to fix or just bump up in LA unless you want them to be standard fixtures for the world (the reason designers gave for making a blatantly LA +1 race like the Warforged LA +0 in Eberron, which I will buy when I GM Eberron games), but it leads designers of new races astray when used as a baseline. Back when it was only the dwarves that were oddly overpowered, it was easy to dismiss them as an anomaly, but with the others that are even more powerful, you see people saying in any attempt to use the other races as a baseline: "Oh the elves are just an underpowered race. I don't need to balance the new race with them" "What about the halflings?" "Also underpowered." "The gnomes?" "Underpowered too. And don't even ask about half-elves and half-orcs." EDIT: I'm not saying you would say that in this case, but I remember someone on these boards who did. He came in last year with an "LA +0" race that had regeneration and other crazy powers and then used arguments like the ones I'm making. [/QUOTE]
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