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<blockquote data-quote="Tremorsense" data-source="post: 4730960" data-attributes="member: 72056"><p>A PC at level 30 who is challenging a monster in a skill competition will generally only do it if they are weighted to be good in that skill:</p><p>+15 Half-level</p><p>+6 for ability modifier</p><p>+5 for training</p><p>+4 item (these are dirt cheap at level 30)</p><p>That's an easy +30. You could have a +8 or more for your ability if it's your primary, you could have a +6 item, and you could have skill focus. That all would get you to +37.</p><p></p><p>A monster's good stat (from the DMG p184 guidelines) should have an ability score of 13+half-level, or 16+half-level in the primary attack ability. Therefore a level 30 monster will have at most a +10 from his ability modifier. All together his skill check will be:</p><p>+15 half-level</p><p>+10 ability modifier</p><p>+5 training</p><p></p><p>That's also 30, but only if the ability score for this skill is important to the monster. The monster in the MM with the highest Wisdom is the Godforged Colossus (level 29) with a 34. He's not trained in either Insight or Perception though, so he's only got a +26 in both. The highest Insight in the book is a couple monsters with +27. The highest Perception is Orcus (level 33) with a +28. So even the best monsters in the book are only just good, whereas a PC who is great at a skill will far, far out-strip the monster.</p><p></p><p>I've not yet seen my players have a problem with beating monsters' skills in Stealth v. Perception or Bluff v. Insight competitions. Yeah a character who neglected Stealth in every way would probably be spotted, but everyone who puts in a little effort for the skill has no problems.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tremorsense, post: 4730960, member: 72056"] A PC at level 30 who is challenging a monster in a skill competition will generally only do it if they are weighted to be good in that skill: +15 Half-level +6 for ability modifier +5 for training +4 item (these are dirt cheap at level 30) That's an easy +30. You could have a +8 or more for your ability if it's your primary, you could have a +6 item, and you could have skill focus. That all would get you to +37. A monster's good stat (from the DMG p184 guidelines) should have an ability score of 13+half-level, or 16+half-level in the primary attack ability. Therefore a level 30 monster will have at most a +10 from his ability modifier. All together his skill check will be: +15 half-level +10 ability modifier +5 training That's also 30, but only if the ability score for this skill is important to the monster. The monster in the MM with the highest Wisdom is the Godforged Colossus (level 29) with a 34. He's not trained in either Insight or Perception though, so he's only got a +26 in both. The highest Insight in the book is a couple monsters with +27. The highest Perception is Orcus (level 33) with a +28. So even the best monsters in the book are only just good, whereas a PC who is great at a skill will far, far out-strip the monster. I've not yet seen my players have a problem with beating monsters' skills in Stealth v. Perception or Bluff v. Insight competitions. Yeah a character who neglected Stealth in every way would probably be spotted, but everyone who puts in a little effort for the skill has no problems. [/QUOTE]
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