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<blockquote data-quote="MajorSarigar" data-source="post: 8763193" data-attributes="member: 6801925"><p>I asked the A5E druid class designer for clarification, and their answer was:</p><p></p><p>"So the short answer is no, you can't wild shape into a swarm. For the long answer let's look at "swarm of rats" as an example. Swarm of rats isn't listed as a "beast", but rather as "medium swarm of tiny beasts". Wild shape allows you to transform into "beasts" and "plants", not "swarms". You could totally become a rat, since it's a beast, but not a "swarm", even if the swarm is composed of beasts. Think of swarms as essentially using mob rules as "swarm" and "group" are unique types for targeting and feature purposes. You can't for example cast <em>dominate person</em> and control an entire commoner mob, because the commoner mob is a "group" where <em>dominate person</em> can only target <strong>a</strong> humanoid.</p><p></p><p>"Now with all that being said, swarm druids are something I've made in the past and should things go my way there <em>might</em> be an archetype to that effect at some point in the future."</p><p></p><p>That being the case, I withdraw my recommendation for a swarm form, even though it is cool. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> I would still allow it at my table, but I accept that it is not intended to be a wild shape option.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MajorSarigar, post: 8763193, member: 6801925"] I asked the A5E druid class designer for clarification, and their answer was: "So the short answer is no, you can't wild shape into a swarm. For the long answer let's look at "swarm of rats" as an example. Swarm of rats isn't listed as a "beast", but rather as "medium swarm of tiny beasts". Wild shape allows you to transform into "beasts" and "plants", not "swarms". You could totally become a rat, since it's a beast, but not a "swarm", even if the swarm is composed of beasts. Think of swarms as essentially using mob rules as "swarm" and "group" are unique types for targeting and feature purposes. You can't for example cast [I]dominate person[/I] and control an entire commoner mob, because the commoner mob is a "group" where [I]dominate person[/I] can only target [B]a[/B] humanoid. "Now with all that being said, swarm druids are something I've made in the past and should things go my way there [I]might[/I] be an archetype to that effect at some point in the future." That being the case, I withdraw my recommendation for a swarm form, even though it is cool. :) I would still allow it at my table, but I accept that it is not intended to be a wild shape option. [/QUOTE]
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