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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 7679996" data-attributes="member: 15700"><p>No, it's not hilarious. It says right there under the ability an appropriate use would be to replicate an existing spell. As far as I know, there isn't a single spell anywhere that remotely comes close to being able to teleport your entire party right next to Orcus and get a free surprise attack on him. You think that's nerfing DM fiat? It's right up there with using DM fiat to just give everyone a 20 in each stat, it's such a bigger benefit than what is advised. But then I'd bet you'd complain that the monsters are too easy then too, completely ignoring that you changed the guidelines to benefit the PCs.</p><p></p><p>When you give the PCs a benefit that is above and beyond what is actually in the rules, you don't really have much of a leg to stand on when complaining that monsters are too weak. If you want to use divine intervention that way in your game, knock yourself out. But you can't then complain that the encounters are too easy when you do so.</p><p></p><p>"Man, goblins are a cakewalk for our 1st level party."</p><p>"Really? Didn't you give each PC an extra 20hp to start with?"</p><p>"Don't nerf my DM fiat!"</p><p></p><p>As far as gate, it reads to only work on another plane. The underdark isn't another plane. It also says that dieties and planer lords can ignore it. I'd consider a demon lord like orcus to fit as either a diety or planer lord.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 7679996, member: 15700"] No, it's not hilarious. It says right there under the ability an appropriate use would be to replicate an existing spell. As far as I know, there isn't a single spell anywhere that remotely comes close to being able to teleport your entire party right next to Orcus and get a free surprise attack on him. You think that's nerfing DM fiat? It's right up there with using DM fiat to just give everyone a 20 in each stat, it's such a bigger benefit than what is advised. But then I'd bet you'd complain that the monsters are too easy then too, completely ignoring that you changed the guidelines to benefit the PCs. When you give the PCs a benefit that is above and beyond what is actually in the rules, you don't really have much of a leg to stand on when complaining that monsters are too weak. If you want to use divine intervention that way in your game, knock yourself out. But you can't then complain that the encounters are too easy when you do so. "Man, goblins are a cakewalk for our 1st level party." "Really? Didn't you give each PC an extra 20hp to start with?" "Don't nerf my DM fiat!" As far as gate, it reads to only work on another plane. The underdark isn't another plane. It also says that dieties and planer lords can ignore it. I'd consider a demon lord like orcus to fit as either a diety or planer lord. [/QUOTE]
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