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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 573516" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>Rav: I don't disagree with your basic thesis. There is indeed more variation amongst Europeans than amongst Americans, if primarily because Americans share common language and media for sharing information. Also, I find that Europeans tend to be more 'tribal', although I do think that that is changing with the Euro and the Europass, than Americans are say post WWII. Prior to WWII, and most certainly prior to the Civil War, you could find the same sort of Balkanization between the US states as you find between European countries. Even today, when a person from my home state (Arkansas) talks about someone who was born out of the state, he says that they are a 'foreigner'. Also, American accents are being washed away, and so someone from Chicago has a much easier time being understood on Cape Cod or in the Bronx or in the Tennessee hills than he would have 100 years ago. So while I agree with you, the differences aren't as extreme as you make them.</p><p></p><p>For instance: </p><p></p><p>"Does Eminem sell less records in NY than he does in Philadelphia, because he is from Detroit?" Actually, there probably are significant differences in how many records Eminem sells in different parts of the country. Average listening habits across the country vary significantly, and don't assume that the top 40 reflects what the youth of any given region are listening too.</p><p></p><p>"I am talking about day to day eating and drinking habits - I am rapidly gaining weight in the UK. Do you think your moving from, say, New England to California would make you gain 1lb. every two weeks?"</p><p></p><p>No, but it might make you lose 1 lb. every two weeks. With the exception of American style Pizza and 'burgers (which are everywhere), average day to day eating habits vary as much across the US as they do in Europe. What people are eating in Baton Rouge LA, Philadelphia PA, and Atlanta GA, differs markedly from what people are eating in Corpos Christi, TX, Los Angeles, CA, and Seattle, WA. If you move from Boulder, CO to New Orleans, LA I gaurantee you will gain weight if you don't watch yourself and complain about how heavy, buttery, and unhealthy the food is.</p><p></p><p>"American suburbs look the same. American Urban centers look the same."</p><p></p><p>Suburbs I grant you, because that is by definition. a uniform planned community of mass produced houses, but urban centers? Get real. You are telling me you can't tell a resdential area of Boston, MA from a residential area of Cinncinatti, OH, from a residential area of Savannah, GA, from a residential area of New Orleans, LA? Come on, that is as different as Denmark from Spain. Granted, we in the US no longer emphasize those differences, because we take less pride in our distinctiveness than the average European, but in the older communities (built prior to WWII), it is there every bit as much as in Europe.</p><p></p><p>"Products for sale. I can't get my favourite beer in the UK anywhere. Period. The thing is, I am NOT drinking from a microbrewery. I am drinking Belgiums biggest export to the Netherlands. I can't get it in the UK at ALL. Bud pretty much sells all over the US doesn't it. Or Wendy's. Or KFC. Sure as hell I can't find a Febo in the UK."</p><p></p><p>Again, I bet you can get a Heinekan anywhere in Europe. But ask someone from PA about getting a Yingling (sp) after he moves away west, or someone from LA getting an Abita if he moves north. And 20 years ago, you couldn't get a Wendy's everywhere in the US either, and I'd be willing to bet that some people on the board aren't familiar with Jack in the Box, White Castle, Church's, Whataburger, Copland's, or Sonic and others would go 'What? You haven't heard of <insert local chain here>? There _everywhere_'</p><p></p><p>"German society is very close to Dutch society. However, unless I take a course in German etiquette, I'd make 6 faux pas in an introductory meeting with a German business partner's wife, 3 of them in the first 30 seconds! So what would happen if I move 800 miles south to Italy instead of the 100 miles east to Germany form the Netherlands? Now, you do that East Coast/west coast comparison."</p><p></p><p>Don't ask me about the time a NY'er invited me (a southern boy) over for Thanksgiving dinner. I imagine we both made 6 faux pas in as much as 30 seconds, and both of us parted thinking the other was a vulgar, rude, crass, narrow minded, individual. (I came that close to hitting him, which he likely wouldn't have understood either.)</p><p></p><p>And crossing over into Spainish speaking USA, and the differences are even greater.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 573516, member: 4937"] Rav: I don't disagree with your basic thesis. There is indeed more variation amongst Europeans than amongst Americans, if primarily because Americans share common language and media for sharing information. Also, I find that Europeans tend to be more 'tribal', although I do think that that is changing with the Euro and the Europass, than Americans are say post WWII. Prior to WWII, and most certainly prior to the Civil War, you could find the same sort of Balkanization between the US states as you find between European countries. Even today, when a person from my home state (Arkansas) talks about someone who was born out of the state, he says that they are a 'foreigner'. Also, American accents are being washed away, and so someone from Chicago has a much easier time being understood on Cape Cod or in the Bronx or in the Tennessee hills than he would have 100 years ago. So while I agree with you, the differences aren't as extreme as you make them. For instance: "Does Eminem sell less records in NY than he does in Philadelphia, because he is from Detroit?" Actually, there probably are significant differences in how many records Eminem sells in different parts of the country. Average listening habits across the country vary significantly, and don't assume that the top 40 reflects what the youth of any given region are listening too. "I am talking about day to day eating and drinking habits - I am rapidly gaining weight in the UK. Do you think your moving from, say, New England to California would make you gain 1lb. every two weeks?" No, but it might make you lose 1 lb. every two weeks. With the exception of American style Pizza and 'burgers (which are everywhere), average day to day eating habits vary as much across the US as they do in Europe. What people are eating in Baton Rouge LA, Philadelphia PA, and Atlanta GA, differs markedly from what people are eating in Corpos Christi, TX, Los Angeles, CA, and Seattle, WA. If you move from Boulder, CO to New Orleans, LA I gaurantee you will gain weight if you don't watch yourself and complain about how heavy, buttery, and unhealthy the food is. "American suburbs look the same. American Urban centers look the same." Suburbs I grant you, because that is by definition. a uniform planned community of mass produced houses, but urban centers? Get real. You are telling me you can't tell a resdential area of Boston, MA from a residential area of Cinncinatti, OH, from a residential area of Savannah, GA, from a residential area of New Orleans, LA? Come on, that is as different as Denmark from Spain. Granted, we in the US no longer emphasize those differences, because we take less pride in our distinctiveness than the average European, but in the older communities (built prior to WWII), it is there every bit as much as in Europe. "Products for sale. I can't get my favourite beer in the UK anywhere. Period. The thing is, I am NOT drinking from a microbrewery. I am drinking Belgiums biggest export to the Netherlands. I can't get it in the UK at ALL. Bud pretty much sells all over the US doesn't it. Or Wendy's. Or KFC. Sure as hell I can't find a Febo in the UK." Again, I bet you can get a Heinekan anywhere in Europe. But ask someone from PA about getting a Yingling (sp) after he moves away west, or someone from LA getting an Abita if he moves north. And 20 years ago, you couldn't get a Wendy's everywhere in the US either, and I'd be willing to bet that some people on the board aren't familiar with Jack in the Box, White Castle, Church's, Whataburger, Copland's, or Sonic and others would go 'What? You haven't heard of <insert local chain here>? There _everywhere_' "German society is very close to Dutch society. However, unless I take a course in German etiquette, I'd make 6 faux pas in an introductory meeting with a German business partner's wife, 3 of them in the first 30 seconds! So what would happen if I move 800 miles south to Italy instead of the 100 miles east to Germany form the Netherlands? Now, you do that East Coast/west coast comparison." Don't ask me about the time a NY'er invited me (a southern boy) over for Thanksgiving dinner. I imagine we both made 6 faux pas in as much as 30 seconds, and both of us parted thinking the other was a vulgar, rude, crass, narrow minded, individual. (I came that close to hitting him, which he likely wouldn't have understood either.) And crossing over into Spainish speaking USA, and the differences are even greater. [/QUOTE]
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