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<blockquote data-quote="Cergorach" data-source="post: 8910076" data-attributes="member: 725"><p>Maybe don't try to determine for the rest of us what we understood or not. No, I understood exactly what you're saying. I'm just saying that you're interpretation of the events is wrong*. 'We' did not convince WotC of anything, certain entities had that pull with WotC/Hasbro, not the 'we' sheep. Entities like the aforementioned 'influencers' and the companies that bigger publishing companies that spoke up against the new OGL, those that were generating a LOT of revenue that WotC/Hasbro wants a piece of. Business news sites that already picked up the Magic: The Gathering issues at WotC/Hasbro, seeing another news cycle of another WotC/Hasbro story. Those kinds of stories affect the stock price for Hasbro, investors start to ask more questions, etc.</p><p></p><p>When exactly did you buy your last D&D product? I'm guessing that happened in the previous century... Why would WotC/Hasbro even consider listening to non-customers in the first place? I was actually buying D&D product just before all this happened, not directly from WotC, but through their D&D licensees. I scrapped everything D&D from my buy/wishlists, I even scrapped non-D&D products from those licensees from my buy/wishlists and let them know why. I did my part, but I expect that my part isn't exactly effective at all. Nor is your part with shouting shouting the hardest from the rooftops...</p><p></p><p>You, and many others, overestimate the power of 'we' (the consumer) because 'we' are an inconsistent lot. How many of those people crying the hardest here would have started buying WotC product again in a couple of weeks/months when they forgot their current 'rageout'? 'We' don't really matter in the scheme of things. 'We' don't have the influence you think you have. The people with the actual power made the changes that have been made to date, and those have imho been primarily made from a business perspective and not much else (even though it might certainly have been presented differently). 'We' sheep have been supporting them either by buying their products or giving them power through views...</p><p></p><p>More then 50 million people apparently play D&D, do you think that the less then 25k petition is representative of those 50 million people? It's less the 0.05% of the player base! In what universe would WotC be swayed by those people, many of which aren't even D&D customers anymore, but OGL customers from other companies...</p><p></p><p>Of the here mentioned 1500 ORC publishers, less then 5% would even be interesting (and thus relevant) for WotC/Hasbro, then there's all the bigger companies doing their own thing, their own license. I estimate that WotC/Hasbro saw all their expected income sources turn away from the new OGL, add to that bad business news, investors asking questions, upper management asking questions, some people getting thrown on swords, etc. And they blinked, how much they'll blink we'll just have to see...</p><p></p><p>Even the biggest company on this ORC list is insignificant compared to WotC/Hasbro, all of them combined doesn't make them all that more influential, because most are insignificant. So why would WotC want that money in the first place (they don't even bother with revenue below $750k should already say something) from these companies? Because it's perpetual 'free' money, it goes effectively directly into the profit column. WotC/Hasbro doesn't have to do anything for that (beyond establishing the license for it in the first place).</p><p></p><p>*Realizing full well that my interpretation of events might be wrong as well. But at least I'm not a bull in a china shop... ;-)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cergorach, post: 8910076, member: 725"] Maybe don't try to determine for the rest of us what we understood or not. No, I understood exactly what you're saying. I'm just saying that you're interpretation of the events is wrong*. 'We' did not convince WotC of anything, certain entities had that pull with WotC/Hasbro, not the 'we' sheep. Entities like the aforementioned 'influencers' and the companies that bigger publishing companies that spoke up against the new OGL, those that were generating a LOT of revenue that WotC/Hasbro wants a piece of. Business news sites that already picked up the Magic: The Gathering issues at WotC/Hasbro, seeing another news cycle of another WotC/Hasbro story. Those kinds of stories affect the stock price for Hasbro, investors start to ask more questions, etc. When exactly did you buy your last D&D product? I'm guessing that happened in the previous century... Why would WotC/Hasbro even consider listening to non-customers in the first place? I was actually buying D&D product just before all this happened, not directly from WotC, but through their D&D licensees. I scrapped everything D&D from my buy/wishlists, I even scrapped non-D&D products from those licensees from my buy/wishlists and let them know why. I did my part, but I expect that my part isn't exactly effective at all. Nor is your part with shouting shouting the hardest from the rooftops... You, and many others, overestimate the power of 'we' (the consumer) because 'we' are an inconsistent lot. How many of those people crying the hardest here would have started buying WotC product again in a couple of weeks/months when they forgot their current 'rageout'? 'We' don't really matter in the scheme of things. 'We' don't have the influence you think you have. The people with the actual power made the changes that have been made to date, and those have imho been primarily made from a business perspective and not much else (even though it might certainly have been presented differently). 'We' sheep have been supporting them either by buying their products or giving them power through views... More then 50 million people apparently play D&D, do you think that the less then 25k petition is representative of those 50 million people? It's less the 0.05% of the player base! In what universe would WotC be swayed by those people, many of which aren't even D&D customers anymore, but OGL customers from other companies... Of the here mentioned 1500 ORC publishers, less then 5% would even be interesting (and thus relevant) for WotC/Hasbro, then there's all the bigger companies doing their own thing, their own license. I estimate that WotC/Hasbro saw all their expected income sources turn away from the new OGL, add to that bad business news, investors asking questions, upper management asking questions, some people getting thrown on swords, etc. And they blinked, how much they'll blink we'll just have to see... Even the biggest company on this ORC list is insignificant compared to WotC/Hasbro, all of them combined doesn't make them all that more influential, because most are insignificant. So why would WotC want that money in the first place (they don't even bother with revenue below $750k should already say something) from these companies? Because it's perpetual 'free' money, it goes effectively directly into the profit column. WotC/Hasbro doesn't have to do anything for that (beyond establishing the license for it in the first place). *Realizing full well that my interpretation of events might be wrong as well. But at least I'm not a bull in a china shop... ;-) [/QUOTE]
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