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<blockquote data-quote="Cergorach" data-source="post: 8911295" data-attributes="member: 725"><p>DMsGuild is D&D. The 1500+ 'publishers', I assume, are (former) OGL 'publishers'.</p><p></p><p>The reason I brought up DMsGuild publications is the fear of lack of D&D (compatible) material, there is no lack of D&D material. And while I have my doubts about the quality of the majority of the material, that still leaves a bunch of decent material. And every sale of that DMsGuild material is money for WotC.</p><p></p><p>How many of those 1500+ 'publishers' would have gotten over that $750k/year, now or ever? How many of those 1500+ 'publishers' actually make (significant) D&D compatible products. Many of the great ones have moved to their own systems, some of which might not even use the OGL anymore.</p><p></p><p>To me it's clear that WotC/Hasbro wants to monetize and pull back all the OGL 'users' to D&D an the WotC/Hasbro income stream (it's pretty clear that won't work). So from my perspective WotC/Hasbro doesn't care about those that don't make them money (large enough to go over that $750k revenue mark). DMsGuild doesn't have that $750k revenue mark, everything you ask money for there, WotC/Hasbro gets a big chunk of, so to WotC/Hasbro that is 'relevant'.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course I can. You act as if all 50 million D&D players act the same way. Most never buy anything beyond anything official D&D (if that), maybe a VTT service to play online, but that's it. Then we have a group that just buys stuff with a D&D label on it, such DMsGuild. Then we have a group that buys D&D compatible stuff (via OGL). There might be some overlap in the latter two, just as there is some overlap between people who ride the bus and own a car...</p><p></p><p>You try to push two different issues into the same equation:</p><p>1.) Lack of D&D material (DMsGuild and fan generated stuff).</p><p>!=</p><p>2.) The relevance to WotC/Hasbro of a large amount of tiny OGL publishers that will leave the OGL behind (ORC alliance).</p><p></p><p>Look, I like Paizo (and a bunch of other publishers on the above list) a LOT more then I ever like WotC/Hasbro. But Hasbro is a BIG multinational, to date I've seen nothing but a mob confronting them, with Paizo leading the charge. A lot of people might go for a David vs. Goliath story, but what they seem to forget is that before David ever showed up, Goliath slew a lot of little people... David was just the guy that slew the giant, claiming Paizo as a 'David' before the actual slaying is unrealistic in my book. I certainly hope that Paizo does some giant slaying, but it is kinda unrealistic in my experience...</p><p></p><p>If WotC/Hasbro does the right kind of backpedaling, how many of those 1500+ will actually drop the OGL when push comes to shove? On one hand we have business people that will see concerns for making money evaporate, on the other we have business people that will continue to see a long term threat via the OGL from WotC/Hasbro. Not to mention the non-business people 'publishing' stuff...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cergorach, post: 8911295, member: 725"] DMsGuild is D&D. The 1500+ 'publishers', I assume, are (former) OGL 'publishers'. The reason I brought up DMsGuild publications is the fear of lack of D&D (compatible) material, there is no lack of D&D material. And while I have my doubts about the quality of the majority of the material, that still leaves a bunch of decent material. And every sale of that DMsGuild material is money for WotC. How many of those 1500+ 'publishers' would have gotten over that $750k/year, now or ever? How many of those 1500+ 'publishers' actually make (significant) D&D compatible products. Many of the great ones have moved to their own systems, some of which might not even use the OGL anymore. To me it's clear that WotC/Hasbro wants to monetize and pull back all the OGL 'users' to D&D an the WotC/Hasbro income stream (it's pretty clear that won't work). So from my perspective WotC/Hasbro doesn't care about those that don't make them money (large enough to go over that $750k revenue mark). DMsGuild doesn't have that $750k revenue mark, everything you ask money for there, WotC/Hasbro gets a big chunk of, so to WotC/Hasbro that is 'relevant'. Of course I can. You act as if all 50 million D&D players act the same way. Most never buy anything beyond anything official D&D (if that), maybe a VTT service to play online, but that's it. Then we have a group that just buys stuff with a D&D label on it, such DMsGuild. Then we have a group that buys D&D compatible stuff (via OGL). There might be some overlap in the latter two, just as there is some overlap between people who ride the bus and own a car... You try to push two different issues into the same equation: 1.) Lack of D&D material (DMsGuild and fan generated stuff). != 2.) The relevance to WotC/Hasbro of a large amount of tiny OGL publishers that will leave the OGL behind (ORC alliance). Look, I like Paizo (and a bunch of other publishers on the above list) a LOT more then I ever like WotC/Hasbro. But Hasbro is a BIG multinational, to date I've seen nothing but a mob confronting them, with Paizo leading the charge. A lot of people might go for a David vs. Goliath story, but what they seem to forget is that before David ever showed up, Goliath slew a lot of little people... David was just the guy that slew the giant, claiming Paizo as a 'David' before the actual slaying is unrealistic in my book. I certainly hope that Paizo does some giant slaying, but it is kinda unrealistic in my experience... If WotC/Hasbro does the right kind of backpedaling, how many of those 1500+ will actually drop the OGL when push comes to shove? On one hand we have business people that will see concerns for making money evaporate, on the other we have business people that will continue to see a long term threat via the OGL from WotC/Hasbro. Not to mention the non-business people 'publishing' stuff... [/QUOTE]
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